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			 "Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Sylvain writes: an instructor of mine in the past who was amused that I couldn't find a spot that was directly under the aircraft, took the control and we went interted. The spot was then clearly visible (despite all the accumulated junk long forgotten on the floor/under the seats that was now accumulating on the canopy). He did however made it clear that this was not the standard procedure expected of the students; planing ahead of time and looking for the spot before getting there was the preferred MO. Was this an aerobatic aircraft? Well I sure if he thought that was any of your business, he would have told you now wouldn't he.  | 
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			 "Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Sylvain writes: an instructor of mine in the past who was amused that I couldn't find a spot that was directly under the aircraft, took the control and we went interted. The spot was then clearly visible (despite all the accumulated junk long forgotten on the floor/under the seats that was now accumulating on the canopy). He did however made it clear that this was not the standard procedure expected of the students; planing ahead of time and looking for the spot before getting there was the preferred MO. Was this an aerobatic aircraft? What difference does that make junior?  | 
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	Was this an aerobatic aircraft? how would I know, I was a student. Now that you mention it, may be not. But I made it back (me and most of my lunch). --Sylvain  | 
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In rec.aviation.student Jim Stewart  wrote: 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
		 
		
	
	
	Otherwise, here's a tip that works EVERY time: If you're with a CFI, and he pulls the power to simulate an engine-out condition, then it is absolutely guaranteed that you're over a runway or something very similar to one. My experience is that it's right behind me... You know, this hardly ever happened to me for most of my training. My pre-solo pattern work involved losing the engine abeam the numbers quite a few times, but almost everything after that was over a field or something. When it happened on my checkride, I was kind of surprised that there was an actual runway down there. .... Alan -- Alan Gerber PP-ASEL gerber AT panix DOT com  | 
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			 "Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Sylvain writes: an instructor of mine in the past who was amused that I couldn't find a spot that was directly under the aircraft, took the control and we went interted. The spot was then clearly visible (despite all the accumulated junk long forgotten on the floor/under the seats that was now accumulating on the canopy). He did however made it clear that this was not the standard procedure expected of the students; planing ahead of time and looking for the spot before getting there was the preferred MO. Was this an aerobatic aircraft? It is now! ;o) Also, I remember a jump pilot a few years ago who liked to do barrel-rolls in a 182. I recall that he was pretty good since we were sitting on the floor and didn't slide around much. This may not be THAT unusual for a 182 but is was for me.  | 
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	Do you really think there are certified pilots around here trying to figure out how to tell when they are over something. Sometimes I wonder if there are any pilots here at all. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.  | 
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	What difference does that make junior? If the aircraft is not designed for aerobatic flight, inverted flight is reckless. I wouldn't want a reckless flight instructor. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.  | 
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			 "Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... How do you know when you are exactly overflying a specific spot on the ground? It's it just a matter of knowing your particular aircraft, or are there tricks that can help to determine this? I know you can look off the tip of your wing to see if you're abeam something (such as a runway), but how can you tell when you're right over something? I presume there's no way to look straight down from most aircraft, and it seems like the view over the nose is often several miles away. When flying the F-4E in the Air Force, we would often update the INS by flying over a ground point and hitting a button to tell the INS we were over the point. To do this, I would roll to 90 degrees for a few seconds so we could see the point as we crossed over it. I think for VORs the rule is when the to/from indicator switches and for TACAN is was when the DME stops decreasing. Danny Deger -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.  | 
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			 "Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Maxwell writes: What difference does that make junior? If the aircraft is not designed for aerobatic flight, inverted flight is reckless. I wouldn't want a reckless flight instructor. More nonsense moron, wrong again.  | 
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			 "Mxsmanic" wrote in message news ![]() Maxwell writes: Do you really think there are certified pilots around here trying to figure out how to tell when they are over something. Sometimes I wonder if there are any pilots here at all. Yeah I know, you seem to spend a lot of wondering, don't you?  | 
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