P-51 question.

"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

In message , Peter Stickney
writes
That being said, even when you strip the myth off it, the Arrow was an
amazing project. There are only 3 countries which have built and
flown Supersonic Heavy Interceptors. The U.S., the Soviet Union, and
Canada. That's danged good.

What about the Tornado F.3?

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Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

And the English Electric Lightnings?
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In message , Andrew Chaplin
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"Paul J. Adam" wrote:
What about the Tornado F.3?

And the English Electric Lightnings?

I was thinking of interceptors that had a loiter capability and long
patrol range, as well as climb rate and dash speed.

France gets included with the Mirage if "take off, get to altitude,
shoot at something, go home" is the mission profile

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Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:30:51 GMT, Andrew Chaplin
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And the English Electric Lightnings?

Excellent for intercepting something bombing the airfield perimeter.


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Greg Hennessy wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:30:51 GMT, Andrew Chaplin
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And the English Electric Lightnings?

Excellent for intercepting something bombing the airfield perimeter.

Ah, but Peter Stickney's description was "Supersonic Heavy
Interceptors" -- no mention of range. ;^) But your point is taken.
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In article ,
Andrew Chaplin writes:
Greg Hennessy wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:30:51 GMT, Andrew Chaplin
wrote:
And the English Electric Lightnings?

Excellent for intercepting something bombing the airfield perimeter.

Ah, but Peter Stickney's description was "Supersonic Heavy
Interceptors" -- no mention of range. ;^) But your point is taken.

True, I should have been more explicit. A Heavy Interceptor is
something lang-ranged and reliable enough that nobody would be nervous
about sending them up over the Tundra, or the Artic Ocean. Candiadtes
in that category would be the Tu-128, MiG-25, F-101, F-106, F-4, the
CF-105, the YF-12, and the didn't get built F-108. I;m actually a bit
leery about the YF-12. Blackbirds don't take well to sitting on an
alert pad, waiting to scramble. It takes a lot of time & effort to
prep one for a flight.

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bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

Andrew Chaplin wrote:
Paul J. Adam wrote:
Peter Stickney wrote:

There are only 3 countries which have built and
flown Supersonic Heavy Interceptors. The U.S.,
the Soviet Union, and Canada. That's danged good.

What about the Tornado F.3?

And the English Electric Lightnings?

I could be wrong, but it appears to me that Peter was referring to
the YF-12A, MiG-25, and Canada's White Elephant (Arrow).

-Mike Marron

wrote:

Andrew Chaplin wrote:
Paul J. Adam wrote:
Peter Stickney wrote:

There are only 3 countries which have built and
flown Supersonic Heavy Interceptors. The U.S.,
the Soviet Union, and Canada. That's danged good.

What about the Tornado F.3?

And the English Electric Lightnings?

I could be wrong, but it appears to me that Peter was referring to
the YF-12A, MiG-25, and Canada's White Elephant (Arrow).

Probably. However, I suspect that the EE programme was nearly as
challenging as Avro Canada's.

For those interested in Arrow-analia, one of the surviving pieces of
the Arrow programme is a cutaway of the Velvet Glove missile which,
when I last checked, was in use as a training aid at the School of
Artillery.
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In article ,
Andrew Chaplin writes:
"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

In message , Peter Stickney
writes
That being said, even when you strip the myth off it, the Arrow was an
amazing project. There are only 3 countries which have built and
flown Supersonic Heavy Interceptors. The U.S., the Soviet Union, and
Canada. That's danged good.

What about the Tornado F.3?

And the English Electric Lightnings?

Heavy interceptor implies long range area intercept, rather than Point
Defence. Lightnings are very exciting, but a reheat takeoff is a
double emoergeny declaration - Low Fuel, and a Fire on Board. (Well,
in the reheat burner, anyway, usually). The Lightning was a great
performer, but it was really limited to a profile of "CLimb straight
up tp 50,000', shoot the missiles, and glide home."

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster