Twenty minutes in the queue awaiting the new and improved FSS

On Wed, 02 May 2007 02:18:29 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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Why do you CALL for a briefing at all?

In addition to other reasons, because in the event of a TFR PD, FSS
personnel may be culpable as well as the pilot if they failed to brief
the TFR, thus mitigating pilot culpability.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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In addition to other reasons, because in the event of a TFR PD, FSS
personnel may be culpable as well as the pilot if they failed to brief
the TFR, thus mitigating pilot culpability.


A telephone briefing that misses a TFR would mitigate pilot culpability but
an internet briefing that misses a TFR would not mitigate pilot culpability?
Why would that be?

On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:35:31 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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In addition to other reasons, because in the event of a TFR PD, FSS
personnel may be culpable as well as the pilot if they failed to brief
the TFR, thus mitigating pilot culpability.


A telephone briefing that misses a TFR would mitigate pilot culpability but
an internet briefing that misses a TFR would not mitigate pilot culpability?
Why would that be?


If the pilot misses the TFR NOTAM in the DUATS briefing, s/he bears
sole blame for it. If the TFR NOTAM is omitted from either the verbal
or DUATS type of briefing, I would expect it to mitigate the pilots
culpability in the event of a PD. In my experience, it's easier for a
pilot to overlook a single NOTAM among the plethora in a DUATS
briefing, but the live briefer briefs only those NOTAMS that are
pertinent to the flight so the relevant TFRs are not buried in the
clutter of irrelevant NOTAMS.

Of course, this issue will soon be moot when LocMart phases in the
computerized voice to deliver the telephone briefings of the future.

"Speak or say 'one' for a full briefing. Speak or say 'two' for
an updated briefing. Using the touch-tone pad enter the
departure airport identifier. ...."

In the name of reduced costs, the continuing trend of automation
replacing wet-ware will continue until the accident rate starts
increasing. Wile computers are less likely to make errors than
people, it is the people who program the computers, so that expected
increase in accuracy will likely not be achieved.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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If the pilot misses the TFR NOTAM in the DUATS briefing, s/he bears
sole blame for it.


If the pilot misses the TFR NOTAM in the telephone briefing, s/he bears sole
blame for it.



If the TFR NOTAM is omitted from either the verbal
or DUATS type of briefing, I would expect it to mitigate the pilots
culpability in the event of a PD. In my experience, it's easier for a
pilot to overlook a single NOTAM among the plethora in a DUATS
briefing, but the live briefer briefs only those NOTAMS that are
pertinent to the flight so the relevant TFRs are not buried in the
clutter of irrelevant NOTAMS.


So the telephone briefing is preferred because it's more likely to be
incomplete?

So the telephone briefing is preferred because it's more likely to be
incomplete?

Yes.

"All available information" is the way lawyers beat their opponents to
death. That's what a machine briefing gives you - reams and reams of
stuff that doesn't matter or says the same thing, and you have to read
through it all to find the one or two bits that do matter.

With a telephone briefing, I'm dealing with a person who has been doing
this all day, and is already familiar with the situation. I get the
picture without the noise.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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So the telephone briefing is preferred because it's more likely to be
incomplete?


Yes.

"All available information" is the way lawyers beat their opponents to
death. That's what a machine briefing gives you - reams and reams of
stuff that doesn't matter or says the same thing, and you have to read
through it all to find the one or two bits that do matter.

With a telephone briefing, I'm dealing with a person who has been doing
this all day, and is already familiar with the situation. I get the
picture without the noise.


It appears you've never actually used DUAT. It doesn't give you reams and
reams of stuff that doesn't matter or says the same thing that you have to
read through find the one or two bits that do matter. It allows you to
tailor the briefing to fit your needs. If you're not interested in some
information don't select it and it won't be provided. You don't have to
read through anything you don't want.

Oh, by the way, you can't actually get pictures with a telephone briefing,
but you can with DUAT.

If you're not interested in some
information don't select it and it won't be provided. You don't have to
read through anything you don't want.

I don't know that I'm not interested in it until I read it. A telephone
briefer has already read it.

Oh, by the way, you can't actually get pictures with a telephone briefing,
but you can with DUAT.

I get my pictures with CIRRUS (which is, I suppose a DUATs interface),
AccuWeather, and Unisis. Other places too, depending.

Jose
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