A380 captain's pay

On May 25, 8:50 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On May 25, 4:08 pm, wrote:





On May 25, 4:34 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On May 25, 3:17 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:

In a previous article, Mxsmanic said:

Robert M. Gary writes:
Where can I get a software engineer in the US for 75K?? I've been
trying to grow my U.S. team for quiet some time but even six figure
saleries don't generate a lot of response.

Are these telecommuting positions?

The problem with "telecommuting positions" is that if they want
telecommuters, they want Indian, Chinese, or Eastern European
telecommuters, or people willing to work for those types of wages.

The cost is actually a very small factor in overseas hiring in the
software industry. Our two main motivating factors are 1) we want a
large pool to hire from, in the U.S. right now its very much an
employees market, its hard for employeers to find "good" (not the high
school kids that were hired during the internet bubble, real engineers
with real engineering degrees) programmers to pick from and 2) Since a
large amount of sales come from overseas its hard to explain to a
foreign country or company why they should buy your product if you
don't spend any money in their country (i.e. "why should I buy your
product if you won't hire anyone from my country")? Its the same
reason Boeing subs out the 777 all over the world, those country are
customers too.
BTW: The cost savings in India for programmers is all but totally
gone. China will always have a small roll because of the extream
language difference. Eastern Europe is probably going to see a large
increase in technology hiring in the near term.

-Robert, BS Computer Science, MBA, holder of 3 U.S. patents for
software

Robert,

Let me guess... you are in a high-cost large city job market, right?

Probably middle tier. We're near Sacramento.

I am an Electrical Engineer with 20 years of design experience in both
hardware and software, and in Idaho I make $80K a year,

Well, if you account for all the state taxes here (income, high sales,
$5000/yr average home property tax, sales/use tax on airplanes, etc)
you probably are making a California equiv of $100K.

Plus, HP has been
laying off so many people in Boise that there are lots of folks in the
market for an engineering position.

Yea, HP is now where you want to be, especially if you are in a one
employeer town. However, the best money has always been at smaller,
riskier companies. You always take a salery cut to work at a more
"stable" company like IBM, HP, etc.

-robert- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Robert,

I don't work for HP anymore, I work for a small privately owned
company... HP is continuing to cut people here locally as they send
the R&D to Shanghai and Singapore. Not much future at HP in the USA.

Dean

writes:

On May 25, 8:50 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On May 25, 4:08 pm, wrote:





On May 25, 4:34 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On May 25, 3:17 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:

In a previous article, Mxsmanic said:

Robert M. Gary writes:
Where can I get a software engineer in the US for 75K?? I've been
trying to grow my U.S. team for quiet some time but even six figure
saleries don't generate a lot of response.

Are these telecommuting positions?

The problem with "telecommuting positions" is that if they want
telecommuters, they want Indian, Chinese, or Eastern European
telecommuters, or people willing to work for those types of wages.

The cost is actually a very small factor in overseas hiring in the
software industry. Our two main motivating factors are 1) we want a
large pool to hire from, in the U.S. right now its very much an
employees market, its hard for employeers to find "good" (not the high
school kids that were hired during the internet bubble, real engineers
with real engineering degrees) programmers to pick from and 2) Since a
large amount of sales come from overseas its hard to explain to a
foreign country or company why they should buy your product if you
don't spend any money in their country (i.e. "why should I buy your
product if you won't hire anyone from my country")? Its the same
reason Boeing subs out the 777 all over the world, those country are
customers too.
BTW: The cost savings in India for programmers is all but totally
gone. China will always have a small roll because of the extream
language difference. Eastern Europe is probably going to see a large
increase in technology hiring in the near term.

-Robert, BS Computer Science, MBA, holder of 3 U.S. patents for
software

Robert,

Let me guess... you are in a high-cost large city job market, right?

Probably middle tier. We're near Sacramento.

I am an Electrical Engineer with 20 years of design experience in both
hardware and software, and in Idaho I make $80K a year,

Well, if you account for all the state taxes here (income, high sales,
$5000/yr average home property tax, sales/use tax on airplanes, etc)
you probably are making a California equiv of $100K.

Plus, HP has been
laying off so many people in Boise that there are lots of folks in the
market for an engineering position.

Yea, HP is now where you want to be, especially if you are in a one
employeer town. However, the best money has always been at smaller,
riskier companies. You always take a salery cut to work at a more
"stable" company like IBM, HP, etc.

-robert- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Robert,

I don't work for HP anymore, I work for a small privately owned
company... HP is continuing to cut people here locally as they send
the R&D to Shanghai and Singapore. Not much future at HP in the USA.

Dean

writes:

I don't work for HP anymore, I work for a small privately owned
company... HP is continuing to cut people here locally as they send
the R&D to Shanghai and Singapore. Not much future at HP in the USA.

Not much future for HP, actually.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news
writes:

I don't work for HP anymore, I work for a small privately owned
company... HP is continuing to cut people here locally as they send
the R&D to Shanghai and Singapore. Not much future at HP in the USA.

Not much future for HP, actually.

Clueless drivel.

Mxsmanic wrote in
news
writes:

I don't work for HP anymore, I work for a small privately owned
company... HP is continuing to cut people here locally as they send
the R&D to Shanghai and Singapore. Not much future at HP in the USA.

Not much future for HP, actually.


Oh I'll sell my shares!


Bwawhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhha!

bertie

On May 25, 11:23 pm, wrote:
On May 25, 8:50 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:





On May 25, 4:08 pm, wrote:

On May 25, 4:34 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On May 25, 3:17 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:

In a previous article, Mxsmanic said:

Robert M. Gary writes:
Where can I get a software engineer in the US for 75K?? I've been
trying to grow my U.S. team for quiet some time but even six figure
saleries don't generate a lot of response.

Are these telecommuting positions?

The problem with "telecommuting positions" is that if they want
telecommuters, they want Indian, Chinese, or Eastern European
telecommuters, or people willing to work for those types of wages.

The cost is actually a very small factor in overseas hiring in the
software industry. Our two main motivating factors are 1) we want a
large pool to hire from, in the U.S. right now its very much an
employees market, its hard for employeers to find "good" (not the high
school kids that were hired during the internet bubble, real engineers
with real engineering degrees) programmers to pick from and 2) Since a
large amount of sales come from overseas its hard to explain to a
foreign country or company why they should buy your product if you
don't spend any money in their country (i.e. "why should I buy your
product if you won't hire anyone from my country")? Its the same
reason Boeing subs out the 777 all over the world, those country are
customers too.
BTW: The cost savings in India for programmers is all but totally
gone. China will always have a small roll because of the extream
language difference. Eastern Europe is probably going to see a large
increase in technology hiring in the near term.

-Robert, BS Computer Science, MBA, holder of 3 U.S. patents for
software

Robert,

Let me guess... you are in a high-cost large city job market, right?

Probably middle tier. We're near Sacramento.

I am an Electrical Engineer with 20 years of design experience in both
hardware and software, and in Idaho I make $80K a year,

Well, if you account for all the state taxes here (income, high sales,
$5000/yr average home property tax, sales/use tax on airplanes, etc)
you probably are making a California equiv of $100K.

Plus, HP has been
laying off so many people in Boise that there are lots of folks in the
market for an engineering position.

Yea, HP is now where you want to be, especially if you are in a one
employeer town. However, the best money has always been at smaller,
riskier companies. You always take a salery cut to work at a more
"stable" company like IBM, HP, etc.

-robert- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Robert,

I don't work for HP anymore, I work for a small privately owned
company... HP is continuing to cut people here locally as they send
the R&D to Shanghai and Singapore. Not much future at HP in the USA.

Dean- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I've been in this industry for about 15 years so I've probaby been
through 20 rounds of layoffs. Everytime I see people standing in the
hall complaining that their jobs are going to India, etc. Its just
sad. These people joined the technology industry when things were
going really, really well. Apparently they thought the world is
static, and that nothing ever changes. So they sat at their desks and
thought they'd be there until retirement. I don't have a lot of
sympathy for those types. There are *LOTS* and *LOTS* of opportunities
in the U.S. but you have to see the writing on the wall and change as
the industry changes. You have to keep updating your skills. I went
and got a company paid MBA and several patents knowing that the future
was in strategic management, not code monkeying.

Robert M. Gary writes:

I've been in this industry for about 15 years so I've probaby been
through 20 rounds of layoffs. Everytime I see people standing in the
hall complaining that their jobs are going to India, etc. Its just
sad. These people joined the technology industry when things were
going really, really well. Apparently they thought the world is
static, and that nothing ever changes. So they sat at their desks and
thought they'd be there until retirement. I don't have a lot of
sympathy for those types. There are *LOTS* and *LOTS* of opportunities
in the U.S. but you have to see the writing on the wall and change as
the industry changes. You have to keep updating your skills. I went
and got a company paid MBA and several patents knowing that the future
was in strategic management, not code monkeying.

That's exactly what people said about most IT jobs not so long ago.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Robert M. Gary writes:

I've been in this industry for about 15 years so I've probaby been
through 20 rounds of layoffs. Everytime I see people standing in the
hall complaining that their jobs are going to India, etc. Its just
sad. These people joined the technology industry when things were
going really, really well. Apparently they thought the world is
static, and that nothing ever changes. So they sat at their desks and
thought they'd be there until retirement. I don't have a lot of
sympathy for those types. There are *LOTS* and *LOTS* of opportunities
in the U.S. but you have to see the writing on the wall and change as
the industry changes. You have to keep updating your skills. I went
and got a company paid MBA and several patents knowing that the future
was in strategic management, not code monkeying.

That's exactly what people said about most IT jobs not so long ago.


You're an idiot.

Bertie

On May 30, 11:07 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:
I've been in this industry for about 15 years so I've probaby been
through 20 rounds of layoffs. Everytime I see people standing in the
hall complaining that their jobs are going to India, etc. Its just
sad. These people joined the technology industry when things were
going really, really well. Apparently they thought the world is
static, and that nothing ever changes. So they sat at their desks and
thought they'd be there until retirement. I don't have a lot of
sympathy for those types. There are *LOTS* and *LOTS* of opportunities
in the U.S. but you have to see the writing on the wall and change as
the industry changes. You have to keep updating your skills. I went
and got a company paid MBA and several patents knowing that the future
was in strategic management, not code monkeying.

That's exactly what people said about most IT jobs not so long ago.

Yes. You can never plan on doing the same thing for 40 years today,
you have be to flexible enough to change with the times.

-Robert