Senior Pilot and Command pilot ratings

Yes... That went out when the "flying gates" were established (as I recall
in the mid-80s)

Mark

"Phineas Pinkham" wrote in message
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"Les Matheson" wrote in message
Senior Pilot/Navigator is seven years of rated time after recieving
wings
(actually measured in months). Command Pilot/Master Navigator is
fifteen
years (also in months).
--
Les
What are the requirements for Senior Pilot and Command pilot these
days?.
USAF that is.
Wally

Wot! No Total Flying Hour Requirement?

"Mark" wrote in message
m...
Yes... That went out when the "flying gates" were established (as I recall
in the mid-80s)

Mark

"Phineas Pinkham" wrote in message
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"Les Matheson" wrote in message
Senior Pilot/Navigator is seven years of rated time after recieving
wings
(actually measured in months). Command Pilot/Master Navigator is
fifteen
years (also in months).
--
Les
What are the requirements for Senior Pilot and Command pilot these
days?.
USAF that is.
Wally

Wot! No Total Flying Hour Requirement?
Doesn't really matter. They all wear Aviation Badges anyway. Look like
Coxey's Army. Can't tell the Pilots without a Program!

"Phineas Pinkham" wrote:

Doesn't really matter. They all wear Aviation Badges anyway. Look like
Coxey's Army. Can't tell the Pilots without a Program!

USAF Command Pilot wings are much larger in size (rightfully so!)
than other aviation badges. I don't think it's no accident that I
haven't lost Dad's Command Pilot wings but I did (regrettably)
somehow manage to lose his medals back when I was a young
kid. The silver wings have tarnished a bit over the years but that's
OK since you can clearly see the imprint where he used his thumb
to pin the wings onto his dress blues.

-Mike Marron

Nope, badges come in two sizes. One for the ClassA blouse (large) and one
for the blue shirt (small). My Navigator wings are just the same size as a
pilots wings.
--
Les
F-4C(WW),D,E,G(WW)/AC-130A/MC-130E EWO (ret)


"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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"Phineas Pinkham" wrote:

Doesn't really matter. They all wear Aviation Badges anyway. Look like
Coxey's Army. Can't tell the Pilots without a Program!

USAF Command Pilot wings are much larger in size (rightfully so!)
than other aviation badges. I don't think it's no accident that I
haven't lost Dad's Command Pilot wings but I did (regrettably)
somehow manage to lose his medals back when I was a young
kid. The silver wings have tarnished a bit over the years but that's
OK since you can clearly see the imprint where he used his thumb
to pin the wings onto his dress blues.

-Mike Marron

Les Matheson wrote:
Nope, badges come in two sizes. One for the ClassA blouse (large)
and one for the blue shirt (small). My Navigator wings are just the
same size as a pilots wings.

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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"Phineas Pinkham" wrote:

Doesn't really matter. They all wear Aviation Badges anyway. Look
like Coxey's Army. Can't tell the Pilots without a Program!

USAF Command Pilot wings are much larger in size (rightfully so!)
than other aviation badges. I don't think it's no accident that I
haven't lost Dad's Command Pilot wings but I did (regrettably)
somehow manage to lose his medals back when I was a young
kid. The silver wings have tarnished a bit over the years but that's
OK since you can clearly see the imprint where he used his thumb
to pin the wings onto his dress blues.

-Mike Marron

I just got an email from a friend who just made LtCol. I remarked that now
he could wear the wheel hat with the "farts & darts" (clouds with lightning
bolts) on the visor. He replied that the Air Force no longer uses the wheel
hat. When did that start?

--

Darrell R. Schmidt

B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/

"Darrell" wrote

I just got an email from a friend who just made LtCol. I remarked that now
he could wear the wheel hat with the "farts & darts" (clouds with lightning
bolts) on the visor. He replied that the Air Force no longer uses the wheel
hat. When did that start?

People stopped wearing them in about 1975, and I think they stopped being
issued in 1993. Probably in concert with the McPeak uniform change.

"Darrell" wrote in message
news:bPM6b.13690$QT5.13568@fed1read02...
I just got an email from a friend who just made LtCol. I remarked that
now
he could wear the wheel hat with the "farts & darts" (clouds with
lightning
bolts) on the visor. He replied that the Air Force no longer uses the
wheel
hat. When did that start?

--

Darrell R. Schmidt

Not only is it not true but now majors can wear the decorated ones like
field grade officers in other services.

Tex Houston

Not only is it not true but now majors can wear the decorated ones like
field grade officers in other services.

Tex Houston


Hmm Tex, I'm not sure where you got that info from. The wheel hat was removed
as a mandatory uniform item for everyone around 1996. A few years later it was
reinstated as a uniform item for special duty officers (I'm just guessing those
that work overseas or for POTUS support) and certain enlisted AFSCs (some of
whom never really got rid of them like honor guards). Bottom line, I don't have
one, and am not required to have one.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Mike Marron wrote:

"Phineas Pinkham" wrote:

Doesn't really matter. They all wear Aviation Badges anyway. Look like
Coxey's Army. Can't tell the Pilots without a Program!

USAF Command Pilot wings are much larger in size (rightfully so!)
than other aviation badges. I don't think it's no accident that I
haven't lost Dad's Command Pilot wings but I did (regrettably)
somehow manage to lose his medals back when I was a young
kid. The silver wings have tarnished a bit over the years but that's
OK since you can clearly see the imprint where he used his thumb
to pin the wings onto his dress blues.

-Mike Marron

Sorry, Mike, but, unless things have changed drastically, the wing
size remains the same with the exception that Senior Pilot has the
star affixed to the shield and Command Pilot adds the wreath around
the star. Otherwise, the wings are the same size.

Use to be--2000 hours total rated time or 1300 first pilot to get
senior pilot rating, plus seven years rated and 3000 hours or 2300
first pilot and 15 years rated to get command pilot. The first pilot
time requirements reflect a recognition of the difference between
small airplanes where an aviator is flying and multi-place airplanes
where an aviator is observing.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038

Ed Rasimus wrote:
Mike Marron wrote:

USAF Command Pilot wings are much larger in size (rightfully so!)
than other aviation badges. I don't think it's no accident that I
haven't lost Dad's Command Pilot wings but I did (regrettably)
somehow manage to lose his medals back when I was a young
kid. The silver wings have tarnished a bit over the years but that's
OK since you can clearly see the imprint where he used his thumb
to pin the wings onto his dress blues.

Sorry, Mike, but, unless things have changed drastically, the wing
size remains the same with the exception that Senior Pilot has the
star affixed to the shield and Command Pilot adds the wreath around
the star. Otherwise, the wings are the same size.

I was simply comparing the size of USAF Command Pilot wings to the
size of wings of other wings worn by various military personnel
(paratrooper wings, for example).

I could be wrong, but when I visually compare Command Pilot wings
to any other wings -- Command Pilot wings soar above the rest WRT
size, no?

Use to be--2000 hours total rated time or 1300 first pilot to get
senior pilot rating, plus seven years rated and 3000 hours or 2300
first pilot and 15 years rated to get command pilot. The first pilot
time requirements reflect a recognition of the difference between
small airplanes where an aviator is flying and multi-place airplanes
where an aviator is observing.

-Mike Marron