Gliders in the Grand Canyon

d&tm writes:

Is that a recent rule? I vividly remember my trip to the Grand Canyon in
1985 It was our honeymoon and I havent been able to get back since.
We took a 1 hour flight in a Twin Otter of Grand Canyon Airlines. It went
way down into canyon, and it was quite specatacular looking out the window
to see a rock wall.

The rules are post-1985. Today you cannot go below 14,500 feet MSL, except in
designated corridors, all of which have a minimum floor of 10,5000 feet MSL.

In other words, you can no longer go down into the canyon, except for take-off
and landing there.

Where can a general aviation aircraft take off and land IN the Grand Canyon?

Mxsmanic wrote:


In other words, you can no longer go down into the canyon, except for take-off
and landing there.

RomeoMike writes:

Where can a general aviation aircraft take off and land IN the Grand Canyon?

I count at least four airfields, plus Grand Canyon West and Grand Canyon
National Park airports (but these two aren't actually in the canyon).

Again, NAME one place "down into the canyon" where one can take off and
land a general aviation aircraft.

Mxsmanic wrote:
RomeoMike writes:

Where can a general aviation aircraft take off and land IN the Grand Canyon?

I count at least four airfields, plus Grand Canyon West and Grand Canyon
National Park airports (but these two aren't actually in the canyon).

RomeoMike writes:

Again, NAME one place "down into the canyon" where one can take off and
land a general aviation aircraft.

I should think that any real pilot would already have the references at hand,
but if you need help, here are four airports in the canyon:

Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge
Tuweep
Grand Canyon Bar Ten

Mxsmanic wrote:
RomeoMike writes:

Again, NAME one place "down into the canyon" where one can take off and
land a general aviation aircraft.

I should think that any real pilot would already have the references at hand,
but if you need help, here are four airports in the canyon:

Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge
Tuweep
Grand Canyon Bar Ten
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles from Grand
Canyon
Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one in MSFS
Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about 56
miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the canyon but
rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

Marble Canyon airport sits above the part of the Grand Canyon known as
Marble Canyon, but it's not in the Park Boundary or down in the Canyon.
Cliff Dwellers is nearby. Bar Ten is in Whitmore Canyon, which feeds
into Grand Canyon from the north. Helicopters bring rafters out of the
canyon up to Bar Ten to be flown out to Vegas. Tuweep (aka Tuweap) is
just north of the Park Boundary in Tuweep Valley. It is a dirt/clay
strip that used to be used to fly rafters and supplies to the river.

John Theune wrote:


Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge Tuweep Grand Canyon Bar Ten
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles from Grand
Canyon
Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one in
MSFS
Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about 56
miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the canyon but
rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

John Theune writes:

Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble Canyon

Marble Canyon is part of the Grand Canyon, and part of the Grand Canyon SFRA.

Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles from Grand
Canyon

See above.

Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one in MSFS

Are you not a pilot? Just look at the Grand Canyon VFR chart--as I did.

Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about 56
miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the canyon but
rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

This airport, like Tuweep, is well within the canyon, and well within the
SFRA. Look at the chart.

I guess you're not going to inform me. I have personally flown into all
of these that you mention, except Cliff Dwellers, which I'm not sure
even exists anymore. In any case, none of them is "down in the canyon."
None of them is even within the Grand Canyon National Park boundary,
though they are close. I will say that even some real pilots, impressed
with the scenery, have thought they were in the Grand Canyon when
flying into Marble Canyon airport, but they were not. Thanks, but I
don't need your help. BTW, I know the answer to your original question,
but what's the use.

Mxsmanic wrote:


I should think that any real pilot would already have the references at hand,
but if you need help, here are four airports in the canyon:

Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge
Tuweep
Grand Canyon Bar Ten

RomeoMike writes:

I guess you're not going to inform me. I have personally flown into all
of these that you mention, except Cliff Dwellers, which I'm not sure
even exists anymore. In any case, none of them is "down in the canyon."

They are 2000 feet below the rim. How much further down do they have to be in
a 5000-foot canyon before they qualify as "inside" to you?

None of them is even within the Grand Canyon National Park boundary,

Neither is most of the Grand Canyon.

I will say that even some real pilots, impressed
with the scenery, have thought they were in the Grand Canyon when
flying into Marble Canyon airport, but they were not.

I will say that some people hate it when not looking something up comes back
to bite them.

BTW, I know the answer to your original question, but what's the use.

If you aren't even familiar with the SFRA, I rather doubt that you could know
the answer to my question.