Gliders in the Grand Canyon

RomeoMike writes:

Where can a general aviation aircraft take off and land IN the Grand Canyon?

I count at least four airfields, plus Grand Canyon West and Grand Canyon
National Park airports (but these two aren't actually in the canyon).

Again, NAME one place "down into the canyon" where one can take off and
land a general aviation aircraft.

Mxsmanic wrote:
RomeoMike writes:

Where can a general aviation aircraft take off and land IN the Grand Canyon?

I count at least four airfields, plus Grand Canyon West and Grand Canyon
National Park airports (but these two aren't actually in the canyon).

RomeoMike writes:

Again, NAME one place "down into the canyon" where one can take off and
land a general aviation aircraft.

I should think that any real pilot would already have the references at hand,
but if you need help, here are four airports in the canyon:

Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge
Tuweep
Grand Canyon Bar Ten

Mxsmanic wrote:
RomeoMike writes:

Again, NAME one place "down into the canyon" where one can take off and
land a general aviation aircraft.

I should think that any real pilot would already have the references at hand,
but if you need help, here are four airports in the canyon:

Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge
Tuweep
Grand Canyon Bar Ten
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles from Grand
Canyon
Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one in MSFS
Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about 56
miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the canyon but
rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

Marble Canyon airport sits above the part of the Grand Canyon known as
Marble Canyon, but it's not in the Park Boundary or down in the Canyon.
Cliff Dwellers is nearby. Bar Ten is in Whitmore Canyon, which feeds
into Grand Canyon from the north. Helicopters bring rafters out of the
canyon up to Bar Ten to be flown out to Vegas. Tuweep (aka Tuweap) is
just north of the Park Boundary in Tuweep Valley. It is a dirt/clay
strip that used to be used to fly rafters and supplies to the river.

John Theune wrote:


Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge Tuweep Grand Canyon Bar Ten
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles from Grand
Canyon
Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one in
MSFS
Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about 56
miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the canyon but
rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

RomeoMike wrote in
:

Marble Canyon airport sits above the part of the Grand Canyon known as
Marble Canyon, but it's not in the Park Boundary or down in the
Canyon. Cliff Dwellers is nearby. Bar Ten is in Whitmore Canyon,
which feeds into Grand Canyon from the north. Helicopters bring
rafters out of the canyon up to Bar Ten to be flown out to Vegas.
Tuweep (aka Tuweap) is just north of the Park Boundary in Tuweep
Valley. It is a dirt/clay strip that used to be used to fly rafters
and supplies to the river.

John Theune wrote:


Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge Tuweep Grand Canyon Bar Ten
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble
Canyon Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles
from Grand Canyon
Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one
in MSFS
Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about
56 miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the
canyon but rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

There is a real nice picture of Marble Canyon taken about 3 months ago
at http://airnav.com/airport/L41 It clearly shows the airport at the top
of the canyon, not in the canyon. Of course, MXmoron is too lazy to try
and look anything up. If he had, he would have also noticed that the
pictures of Cliff Dweller's Lodge and Grand Canyon Bar Ten also show them
at the top of the canyon, not in the canyon.

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Marty Shapiro writes:

There is a real nice picture of Marble Canyon taken about 3 months ago
at http://airnav.com/airport/L41 It clearly shows the airport at the top
of the canyon, not in the canyon. Of course, MXmoron is too lazy to try
and look anything up. If he had, he would have also noticed that the
pictures of Cliff Dweller's Lodge and Grand Canyon Bar Ten also show them
at the top of the canyon, not in the canyon.

I looked it all up. On a topographic map it is clear that these are all in
the canyon. And if you look closely you'll see that the canyon is about 2000
feet deep where these airports sit.

Thanks for the photo. For the troll MX, what you see in this photo is
the airport with the canyon to the right and the Vermilion Cliffs to the
left. The Vermilion Cliffs are not part of the Grand Canyon. If you
would like for me to prove this further, meet me there, and I will, with
great glee, throw you off the rim into Marble Canyon, and you can
protest all the way down how stupid real pilots are.



Marty Shapiro wrote:


There is a real nice picture of Marble Canyon taken about 3 months ago
at http://airnav.com/airport/L41 It clearly shows the airport at the top
of the canyon, not in the canyon. Of course, MXmoron is too lazy to try
and look anything up. If he had, he would have also noticed that the
pictures of Cliff Dweller's Lodge and Grand Canyon Bar Ten also show them
at the top of the canyon, not in the canyon.

RomeoMike writes:

Marble Canyon airport sits above the part of the Grand Canyon known as
Marble Canyon, but it's not in the Park Boundary or down in the Canyon.

It is indeed in the canyon, which starts at Lee's Ferry.

It's not inside the park, but it's inside the SFRA, which is bigger than the
park (the park covers only a fraction of the canyon).

There's also Phantom Ranch, but it cannot accommodate fixed-wing aircraft as
far as I know.

Mxsmanic wrote:
in the Canyon.

It is indeed in the canyon, which starts at Lee's Ferry.

No, not in the canyon or even in the Park.


It's not inside the park, but it's inside the SFRA, which is bigger than the
park (the park covers only a fraction of the canyon).

How big a fraction would that be? About 100%? (Not including certain
tribal rights.)

There's also Phantom Ranch, but it cannot accommodate fixed-wing aircraft as
far as I know.

Ever been there? I have.It can't accommodate any GA aircraft. But at
least you have finally named a place that is "down in the canyon."