Gliders in the Grand Canyon

Mxsmanic wrote:
RomeoMike writes:

Again, NAME one place "down into the canyon" where one can take off and
land a general aviation aircraft.

I should think that any real pilot would already have the references at hand,
but if you need help, here are four airports in the canyon:

Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge
Tuweep
Grand Canyon Bar Ten
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles from Grand
Canyon
Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one in MSFS
Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about 56
miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the canyon but
rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

I guess you're not going to inform me. I have personally flown into all
of these that you mention, except Cliff Dwellers, which I'm not sure
even exists anymore. In any case, none of them is "down in the canyon."
None of them is even within the Grand Canyon National Park boundary,
though they are close. I will say that even some real pilots, impressed
with the scenery, have thought they were in the Grand Canyon when
flying into Marble Canyon airport, but they were not. Thanks, but I
don't need your help. BTW, I know the answer to your original question,
but what's the use.

Mxsmanic wrote:


I should think that any real pilot would already have the references at hand,
but if you need help, here are four airports in the canyon:

Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge
Tuweep
Grand Canyon Bar Ten

Marble Canyon airport sits above the part of the Grand Canyon known as
Marble Canyon, but it's not in the Park Boundary or down in the Canyon.
Cliff Dwellers is nearby. Bar Ten is in Whitmore Canyon, which feeds
into Grand Canyon from the north. Helicopters bring rafters out of the
canyon up to Bar Ten to be flown out to Vegas. Tuweep (aka Tuweap) is
just north of the Park Boundary in Tuweep Valley. It is a dirt/clay
strip that used to be used to fly rafters and supplies to the river.

John Theune wrote:


Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge Tuweep Grand Canyon Bar Ten
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles from Grand
Canyon
Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one in
MSFS
Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about 56
miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the canyon but
rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

I believe that all of these airports are outside the SFAR protected area and
are not "down in the Canyon".
BT

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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RomeoMike writes:

Again, NAME one place "down into the canyon" where one can take off and
land a general aviation aircraft.

I should think that any real pilot would already have the references at
hand,
but if you need help, here are four airports in the canyon:

Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge
Tuweep
Grand Canyon Bar Ten

RomeoMike wrote in
:

Marble Canyon airport sits above the part of the Grand Canyon known as
Marble Canyon, but it's not in the Park Boundary or down in the
Canyon. Cliff Dwellers is nearby. Bar Ten is in Whitmore Canyon,
which feeds into Grand Canyon from the north. Helicopters bring
rafters out of the canyon up to Bar Ten to be flown out to Vegas.
Tuweep (aka Tuweap) is just north of the Park Boundary in Tuweep
Valley. It is a dirt/clay strip that used to be used to fly rafters
and supplies to the river.

John Theune wrote:


Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge Tuweep Grand Canyon Bar Ten
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble
Canyon Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles
from Grand Canyon
Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one
in MSFS
Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about
56 miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the
canyon but rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

There is a real nice picture of Marble Canyon taken about 3 months ago
at http://airnav.com/airport/L41 It clearly shows the airport at the top
of the canyon, not in the canyon. Of course, MXmoron is too lazy to try
and look anything up. If he had, he would have also noticed that the
pictures of Cliff Dweller's Lodge and Grand Canyon Bar Ten also show them
at the top of the canyon, not in the canyon.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Snowbird writes:

Why do you want this information?
What possible use is the answer to you, since by your own admission
you'd never dare to try it yourself?
Why can't you research it yourself? Google is your friend. And MSFS
too, it seems.
Why do you want us to spend our time on researching your problem,
especially since you seem to have lots of time yourself ?
Why do you pose the question to this group anyway, as you have
already repeatably dismissed our answers as "incorrect" ?
You say you base your present knowledge on your own research, yet now
you want to avoid learning by your own simulation experience, and
instead rely on our information, despite having numerous times
dismissed such information. Based on that behavior, how can we trust
that you are actually interested in the information, and not just in
endless arguing ?

If you don't know, there's no point in posting.


Well, there oyu are. You know nothing and you post like fjukk.


I know, though.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

RomeoMike writes:

Again, NAME one place "down into the canyon" where one can take off
and land a general aviation aircraft.

I should think that any real pilot would already have the references
at hand, but if you need help, here are four airports in the canyon:



I do, but I wouldn't tell you fjukkwit



Bertie

Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge
Tuweep
Grand Canyon Bar Ten

"BT" wrote in
:

d&tm, the "VFR CHART" depicting the rules of SFAR 50-2 was first
printed on 4 April 1991.

I too took a great tour operated canyon flight in 1983.


By any chance do you remember if your tour was with either Air Nevada
or Scenic Airways?

I did the same tour on my first trip to Las Vegas in the late 1970's.
I had just hit three straight numbers at roulette and rather than give it
back to the casino, I went over to the tour desk and bought whatever would
exhaust my winnings. It was a deluxe tour of the Grand Canyon. The neat
thing was it was in a Ford Trimotor. We were well below the rim of the
canyon for most of the flight. This was one of the things that got me on
the road to eventually becoming a pilot.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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John Theune writes:

Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble Canyon

Marble Canyon is part of the Grand Canyon, and part of the Grand Canyon SFRA.

Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles from Grand
Canyon

See above.

Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one in MSFS

Are you not a pilot? Just look at the Grand Canyon VFR chart--as I did.

Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about 56
miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the canyon but
rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

This airport, like Tuweep, is well within the canyon, and well within the
SFRA. Look at the chart.

RomeoMike writes:

Marble Canyon airport sits above the part of the Grand Canyon known as
Marble Canyon, but it's not in the Park Boundary or down in the Canyon.

It is indeed in the canyon, which starts at Lee's Ferry.

It's not inside the park, but it's inside the SFRA, which is bigger than the
park (the park covers only a fraction of the canyon).

There's also Phantom Ranch, but it cannot accommodate fixed-wing aircraft as
far as I know.