Gliders in the Grand Canyon

Marble Canyon airport sits above the part of the Grand Canyon known as
Marble Canyon, but it's not in the Park Boundary or down in the Canyon.
Cliff Dwellers is nearby. Bar Ten is in Whitmore Canyon, which feeds
into Grand Canyon from the north. Helicopters bring rafters out of the
canyon up to Bar Ten to be flown out to Vegas. Tuweep (aka Tuweap) is
just north of the Park Boundary in Tuweep Valley. It is a dirt/clay
strip that used to be used to fly rafters and supplies to the river.

John Theune wrote:


Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge Tuweep Grand Canyon Bar Ten
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles from Grand
Canyon
Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one in
MSFS
Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about 56
miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the canyon but
rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

RomeoMike wrote in
:

Marble Canyon airport sits above the part of the Grand Canyon known as
Marble Canyon, but it's not in the Park Boundary or down in the
Canyon. Cliff Dwellers is nearby. Bar Ten is in Whitmore Canyon,
which feeds into Grand Canyon from the north. Helicopters bring
rafters out of the canyon up to Bar Ten to be flown out to Vegas.
Tuweep (aka Tuweap) is just north of the Park Boundary in Tuweep
Valley. It is a dirt/clay strip that used to be used to fly rafters
and supplies to the river.

John Theune wrote:


Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge Tuweep Grand Canyon Bar Ten
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble
Canyon Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles
from Grand Canyon
Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one
in MSFS
Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about
56 miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the
canyon but rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

There is a real nice picture of Marble Canyon taken about 3 months ago
at http://airnav.com/airport/L41 It clearly shows the airport at the top
of the canyon, not in the canyon. Of course, MXmoron is too lazy to try
and look anything up. If he had, he would have also noticed that the
pictures of Cliff Dweller's Lodge and Grand Canyon Bar Ten also show them
at the top of the canyon, not in the canyon.

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Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Marty Shapiro writes:

There is a real nice picture of Marble Canyon taken about 3 months ago
at http://airnav.com/airport/L41 It clearly shows the airport at the top
of the canyon, not in the canyon. Of course, MXmoron is too lazy to try
and look anything up. If he had, he would have also noticed that the
pictures of Cliff Dweller's Lodge and Grand Canyon Bar Ten also show them
at the top of the canyon, not in the canyon.

I looked it all up. On a topographic map it is clear that these are all in
the canyon. And if you look closely you'll see that the canyon is about 2000
feet deep where these airports sit.

You see, this is why no one wants to engage you. You are either stupid
or a troll for sure. I have the USGS 'Navajo Bridge Quad.' 7.5'
topographic map in front of me. It clearly shows Marble Canyon airport
ABOVE the canyon. To the northwest are the Vermilion Cliffs, which have
nothing to do with the Grand Canyon. I have the appropriate topos for
the Tuweep and Bar Ten areas as well, but what's the use.

Mxsmanic wrote:


I looked it all up. On a topographic map it is clear that these are all in
the canyon. And if you look closely you'll see that the canyon is about 2000
feet deep where these airports sit.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:


I looked it all up. On a topographic map it is clear that these are
all in the canyon. And if you look closely you'll see that the canyon
is about 2000 feet deep where these airports sit.

Bull. If you had looked it all up you would have known that Tuweep
(L50) has been closed.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Marty Shapiro writes:

If you had looked it all up you would have known that Tuweep
(L50) has been closed.

It's marked as open on the current chart.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Marty Shapiro writes:

If you had looked it all up you would have known that Tuweep
(L50) has been closed.

It's marked as open on the current chart.


You're an idiot

Bertie

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Marty Shapiro writes:

If you had looked it all up you would have known that Tuweep
(L50) has been closed.

It's marked as open on the current chart.

You, and your charts are wrong. From the Arizona Dept. of
Transportation:

http://www.azdot.gov/aviation/airpor...st.asp?FAA=L50

It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any
sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your
beloved Skyvector.com. Like told many times before, get your facts
straight before shooting off your mouth.

Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are
and how much of a fool you can be.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

You, and your charts are wrong.

They are not my charts; they are prepared by the Federal government. Surely
you've seen the specific VFR chart for the Grand Canyon SFRA?

It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any
sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your
beloved Skyvector.com.

It's on the Las Vegas sectional (which doesn't expire until August), and on
the Grand Canyon SFRA chart (which doesn't have regular cycles), at N
36.301407 W 113.071384. You can see it on Google Maps, and various pilots
have put pictures of it on the Web.

In the face of so much documentary evidence, it is impossible for me to lend
any real credence to your point of view. It's a bit like saying there's no
such place as Los Angeles.

Like told many times before, get your facts
straight before shooting off your mouth.

Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are
and how much of a fool you can be.

Anyone looking it up will find out very quickly just who is right and who is
wrong, and I recommend that anyone who is curious do exactly that.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Marty Shapiro writes:

There is a real nice picture of Marble Canyon taken about 3 months
ago at http://airnav.com/airport/L41 It clearly shows the airport at
the top of the canyon, not in the canyon. Of course, MXmoron is too
lazy to try and look anything up. If he had, he would have also
noticed that the pictures of Cliff Dweller's Lodge and Grand Canyon
Bar Ten also show them at the top of the canyon, not in the canyon.

I looked it all up. On a topographic map it is clear that these are
all in the canyon. And if you look closely you'll see that the canyon
is about 2000 feet deep where these airports sit.




So what, fjukwit?


Bertie