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Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?



 
 
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Old June 10th 07, 06:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

Bob Moore writes:

Head and body should remain perpendicular to the floor of the
cockpit. This comes naturally if the turn is coordinated.


Interesting. When you learn to ride a motorcycle, you're taught to keep your
head normal to the horizon in turns ... because turning your head with the
bike as you lean into a turn results in disorientation.

Perhaps pilots would be less prone to disorientation if they kept their heads
normal to the horizon, even in turns (for instrument flight, this would mean
keeping one's head level with the horizon of the attitude indicator).

I note from in-cockpit videos of aerobatic pilots that they keep their heads
level with the horizon, not level with the aircraft.
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Old June 10th 07, 06:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

On Jun 10, 1:26 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

Perhaps pilots would be less prone to disorientation if they kept their heads
normal to the horizon, even in turns (for instrument flight, this would mean
keeping one's head level with the horizon of the attitude indicator).


That means real pilots get disoriented in visual flight. Amazing
factoid. Here you go again.

F--

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Old June 10th 07, 06:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

Mxsmanic,

When you learn to ride a motorcycle, you're taught to keep your
head normal to the horizon in turns ... because turning your head with the
bike as you lean into a turn results in disorientation.


So what is the difference between a bike and a plane in a turn? And why would
your idea below lead to more disorientation in a plane, not less? You can
figure it out. Just try.

Perhaps pilots would be less prone to disorientation if they kept their heads
normal to the horizon, even in turns (for instrument flight, this would mean
keeping one's head level with the horizon of the attitude indicator).


Ah, I was wondering what angle you would come up with this time to present a
really stupid idea as wisdom superior to what actual pilots do. You never fail
to deliver. I guess it requires some kind of intellect...

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Old June 10th 07, 08:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

Thomas Borchert writes:

So what is the difference between a bike and a plane in a turn?


None, if the turn is level and coordinated, from a vestibular standpoint.

And why would
your idea below lead to more disorientation in a plane, not less? You can
figure it out. Just try.


Explain it to me.
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Old June 10th 07, 09:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Thomas Borchert writes:

So what is the difference between a bike and a plane in a turn?


None, if the turn is level and coordinated, from a vestibular
standpoint.

And why would
your idea below lead to more disorientation in a plane, not less? You
can figure it out. Just try.


Explain it to me.


Why?

Bertie
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Old June 11th 07, 02:46 AM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?


"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Explain it to me.


Somebody talk to me, I'm looney.


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Old June 10th 07, 07:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

Mxsmanic wrote
I note from in-cockpit videos of aerobatic pilots that they keep their
heads level with the horizon, not level with the aircraft.


Because they are not normally operating in coordinated flight.

Bob Moore
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Old June 10th 07, 08:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

Bob Moore writes:

Because they are not normally operating in coordinated flight.


Why would that make a difference?

What they seem to be doing is minimizing the tilting of their heads, just as
motorcycle racers, ballet dancers, and ice skaters do.
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Old June 10th 07, 09:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bob Moore writes:

Because they are not normally operating in coordinated flight.


Why would that make a difference?

What they seem to be doing is minimizing the tilting of their heads,
just as motorcycle racers, ballet dancers, and ice skaters do.


You're an idiot.


Bertie
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Old June 11th 07, 11:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

Mxsmanic wrote:

Bob Moore writes:


Because they are not normally operating in coordinated flight.



Why would that make a difference?

What they seem to be doing is minimizing the tilting of their heads, just as
motorcycle racers, ballet dancers, and ice skaters do.


Nope, during any sort of flight, turns, straight and level,
whatever, a motorcycle racer, ballet dancer, or an ice skater
would still sit with a straight back and neck if they want to
continue a respectable level of flight. Hell, I do software
and IT and I sit the same as they would during flight.

 




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