Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20?

On Jun 11, 10:16 pm, "Marc CYBW"
wrote:
I am a fractional owner of a pair of very nice Skylanes at Springbank
airport in Calgary (CYBW) and fly here and there, mostly just around Alberta
but occasionally on vacation - usually over the mountains to the wet
coast -(i.e. Vancouver island) - about 50 hrs /yr. Great operation. Great
service. Almost always a plane available. Planning on Oshkosh next year.

The Skylanes are about 7 old and the operation wants to upgrade to SR20's.
Double the investment, substantial increase in monthly and hourly costs.
Plus I'll have to train to upgrade to glass panels (8 hrs). Currently have
210 hrs. VFR OTT. Most of night rating. No intention of getting IFR rating.

No other fractional operation around so it's SR20 or back to the beaters
(182 or Arrow) at the flying club.

Recommendations anyone?

Thanks,
Marc

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My suggestion is that you stay with the Skylane(s). run the numbers
but I bet with the insurance etc your hourly cost skyrocket, I dont
see a mission requirement that dictates the SR20...and can you carry
as much (both volume and mass)?

Loverly (grin) countryside up there. My first Boeing type rating came
at the Boeing factory (the B-737/300 when it was new) and we took one
up to that part of the country and let me do "touch and goes".
Vancouver is just wonderful.

What a gig you must have.

Robert

Hi group,

Good arguments for skipping the SR20 so far, but......

...... one of the other fractional owners in our group looked at the
possibility of a few of us buying one of the 182s (as opposed to the club
rental beater) and suggested the following reasons for upgrading:

- the big red handle on the SR20
- the fun and challenge of flying a technologically current plane
- the flexibility of availability of 16 people in 2 planes vs. (say) 6 in
one plane (the 182 shared among 6)
- the upcoming engine overhaul on the 182
- laying off the risk of repairs, etc on the fractional operator
- the red carpet treatment of fractional ownership (scheduling, ramp
service, etc.)
- the big red handle (did I mention that?)
- the fun of a new airplane (did I mention that)
- the O2 system for mountain flying
- the big red handle when you're over the Rockies at 15,000 ft.(did I
mention that)
- the hassles of setting up a limited corporation to (maybe) limit our
liability

So, for an increase of about 50% in cost for a 50 hr year, he suggests we
go for it.

Seems logical so far.

Comments?

Marc



"Luke Skywalker" wrote in message
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On Jun 11, 10:16 pm, "Marc CYBW"
wrote:
I am a fractional owner of a pair of very nice Skylanes at Springbank
airport in Calgary (CYBW) and fly here and there, mostly just around
Alberta
but occasionally on vacation - usually over the mountains to the wet
coast -(i.e. Vancouver island) - about 50 hrs /yr. Great operation.
Great
service. Almost always a plane available. Planning on Oshkosh next year.

The Skylanes are about 7 old and the operation wants to upgrade to
SR20's.
Double the investment, substantial increase in monthly and hourly costs.
Plus I'll have to train to upgrade to glass panels (8 hrs). Currently
have
210 hrs. VFR OTT. Most of night rating. No intention of getting IFR
rating.

No other fractional operation around so it's SR20 or back to the beaters
(182 or Arrow) at the flying club.

Recommendations anyone?

Thanks,
Marc

--

My suggestion is that you stay with the Skylane(s). run the numbers
but I bet with the insurance etc your hourly cost skyrocket, I dont
see a mission requirement that dictates the SR20...and can you carry
as much (both volume and mass)?

Loverly (grin) countryside up there. My first Boeing type rating came
at the Boeing factory (the B-737/300 when it was new) and we took one
up to that part of the country and let me do "touch and goes".
Vancouver is just wonderful.

What a gig you must have.

Robert

Marc CYBW writes:

Comments?

You place too much faith in a big red handle.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Marc CYBW writes:

Comments?

You place too much faith in a big red handle.



Big red handle?

that what it looks like in your imaginary world?

Bwawhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahhw!

Bertie

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Marc CYBW writes:

Comments?

You place too much faith in a big red handle.

You're totally not gellin'

On Jun 13, 12:51 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Marc CYBW writes:
Comments?

You place too much faith in a big red handle.

CTRL-ALT-Delete isn't an option for most of us here...

"Marc CYBW" wrote in message
news:%SIbi.18217$1i1.13157@pd7urf3no...
Hi group,

Good arguments for skipping the SR20 so far, but......

..... one of the other fractional owners in our group looked at the
possibility of a few of us buying one of the 182s (as opposed to the club
rental beater) and suggested the following reasons for upgrading:

- the big red handle on the SR20
- the fun and challenge of flying a technologically current plane
- the flexibility of availability of 16 people in 2 planes vs. (say) 6 in
one plane (the 182 shared among 6)
- the upcoming engine overhaul on the 182
- laying off the risk of repairs, etc on the fractional operator
- the red carpet treatment of fractional ownership (scheduling, ramp
service, etc.)
- the big red handle (did I mention that?)
- the fun of a new airplane (did I mention that)
- the O2 system for mountain flying
- the big red handle when you're over the Rockies at 15,000 ft.(did I
mention that)
- the hassles of setting up a limited corporation to (maybe) limit our
liability

So, for an increase of about 50% in cost for a 50 hr year, he suggests we
go for it.

Seems logical so far.

Comments?

Marc



We beat the safety issue to death, and it came back to life a couple of
times. IMHO, we finally buried it after the Corey Liddle crash and, if you
are curious, the entire autopsy (conducted on this forum) should still be
available on Google.

Personally, I don't like the airplane, because of the geometry of the stick
and also the small rudder; but I concede that may be a good fit for others.

However, if you are interested in becomming an owner, I would *strongly*
suggest that you talk to some local owners and pilots. For example, one
pilot personally known to me, who also uses his Cirrus for instruction, told
me that stick geometry (which appears tiring to me) is not a factor because
the aircraft is normally flown on autopilot most of the time.

So, do those local interviews, take an extended test drive (or at least sit
in it as a sort of mock-up simulator), and get some of your fellow
fractional owners to do the same. Then, you may have a better idea of
whether it is a good fit, or a poor fit.

Peter

"Peter Dohm" wrote
So, do those local interviews, take an extended test drive (or at
least sit in it as a sort of mock-up simulator), and get some of your
fellow fractional owners to do the same. Then, you may have a
better idea of whether it is a good fit, or a poor fit.

Damn Peter, I was happy hating the Cirrus for years until I did just that.
Then I took a half hour demo flight and my elbow didn't touch the other
guy's even once. Now, every once in a while, I find myself peeking at the
used listings.

"Mike Isaksen" wrote:

So, do those local interviews, take an extended test drive (or at
least sit in it as a sort of mock-up simulator), and get some of your
fellow fractional owners to do the same. Then, you may have a
better idea of whether it is a good fit, or a poor fit.

Damn Peter, I was happy hating the Cirrus for years until I did just that.
Then I took a half hour demo flight and my elbow didn't touch the other
guy's even once.


Yep. That roomy interior is one of the best things about a Cirrus.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

Dan,

Yep. That roomy interior is one of the best things about a Cirrus.


Try a Socata TB...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)