Cessna LSA -- Good Luck if you want one

Dave Stadt wrote:

They got smart and decided on the Continental O-200.

Aren't Cessna and Lycoming both owned by Textron? ... but they'll use a
competing engine in their LSA?

Dave

"Dave Butler" wrote:

They got smart and decided on the Continental O-200.

Aren't Cessna and Lycoming both owned by Textron? ... but they'll use a
competing engine in their LSA?

Cessna is fed up with Lycoming after the recent crankshaft fiasco and the
IO-580 debacle. The 580 was supposed to be the new generation engine for the
206, but Lycoming couldn't fix the teething problems in time for
certification, forcing Cessma to use the older but proven 540.

TCM seems to have the edge in mfg. technology and quality control these days,
after restructuring their main plant in Mobile. Apparently to the point that
Cessna has enough confidence in TCM that it is willing to snub its own
corporate sibling.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

On Jun 22, 7:50 am, "Dan Luke" wrote:
"Dave Butler" wrote:
They got smart and decided on the Continental O-200.

Aren't Cessna and Lycoming both owned by Textron? ... but they'll use a
competing engine in their LSA?

Cessna is fed up with Lycoming after the recent crankshaft fiasco and the
IO-580 debacle. The 580 was supposed to be the new generation engine for the
206, but Lycoming couldn't fix the teething problems in time for
certification, forcing Cessma to use the older but proven 540.

TCM seems to have the edge in mfg. technology and quality control these days,
after restructuring their main plant in Mobile. Apparently to the point that
Cessna has enough confidence in TCM that it is willing to snub its own
corporate sibling.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

According to my most recent issue of Aviation Consumer,
Textron gave Cessna permission to try other engines. Even the parent
company is fed up with the Lycoming crank circus.
But I don't think they got smart by choosing the O-200. We
sold our 150s a long time ago to get clear of that engine. 1800 TBO
but the cylinders always needed work halfway there. And it didn't
produce any more thrust than the C-90. The higher RPM ate up the extra
HP in drag.

Dan

Dave Butler wrote:
Dave Stadt wrote:

They got smart and decided on the Continental O-200.

Aren't Cessna and Lycoming both owned by Textron? ... but they'll use a
competing engine in their LSA?

Dave
Yes, and so is Macauley Props for that matter.

Of course, the question is whether Lycoming is going to make a small
enough engine.

On 2007-06-22 05:55:59 -0700, Dave Butler said:

Dave Stadt wrote:

They got smart and decided on the Continental O-200.

Aren't Cessna and Lycoming both owned by Textron? ... but they'll use a
competing engine in their LSA?

Dave

The O-200 is what is on there now, but Cessna says they have not made a
final decision as to what the engine will be. The announcement will be
made a week before Oshkosh. Originally it was a Rotax 912.

The Lycoming O-235 could also be used, but it is about 40 pounds
heavier than the Continental. The sole advantage of this engine is that
it can handle 100LL with fewer problems than the Continental. The O-235
N2C which Cessna started using in 1983 had fewer lead fouling problems.

Somehow I doubt very much that the crankshaft problems of a few
turbocharged IO-540 engines had very much to do with the decision --
that just does not seem relevant to the LSA. You will never convince
the Continental/Lycoming partisans of that, however. It is like talking
Chevy to a Ford fan, or Nikon to a Canon user. Reality and reason have
nothing to do with their views.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

("C J Campbell" wrote)
or Nikon to a Canon user. Reality and reason have nothing to do with their
views.


Oh great, you just had to open THAT can of worms, again! smile


Paul-Mont
http://www.brownie-camera.com/articl.../article.shtml
I got to play with our families '616' back in the 1960's and 70's.

http://www.ozcamera.com/k-box.html

nikons are better,,,,,,just picked up a d80...nice....they do anice
job grinding the lenses also..(imho, of course)







On Jun 23, 7:59 am, "Montblack" Y4_NOT!...
wrote:
("C J Campbell" wrote)

or Nikon to a Canon user. Reality and reason have nothing to do with their
views.

Oh great, you just had to open THAT can of worms, again! smile

Paul-Monthttp://www.brownie-camera.com/articles/petelutz/article.shtml
I got to play with our families '616' back in the 1960's and 70's.

http://www.ozcamera.com/k-box.html