FAA "Centers" have primary radar?

Danny Deger wrote:

In another thread I am in a discussion on radar capability for FAA
"Centers". My recollection is that they typically have no primary radar,
thus no capability to paint weather. Someone is telling me they do.
Anybody out there have the answer. Maybe some do and some don't, and the
ones I used in the past don't.

The answer is "it depends." Many enroute U.S. radar sites DO have primary
radar coverage. However there are also plenty so-called "beacon only" sites
that only interogate transponders. These sites are less expensive to install,
particularly in remote areas where installations and electric is at a premium.
The long term trend of FAA was to have less and less full blown primary radar
coverage, similar to what many other countries were already doing for their
civil aviation. The FAA's strategy changed in September, 2001. Primary
coverage will be with us to stay, and may even be expanded in some areas.

Air traffic control radar is optimized and sized for finding airplanes, not
rain drops. Newer center facilities use weather radar (Nexrad) to provide
their weather information on their screens.

I highly recommend taking a tour of any local TRACON and ARTCC facilities. You
will need a pre-approved appointment and may have to provide your information
well in advance. Participating as part of a small group (such as an instrument
ground school course) may be helpful.

The new center and approach faciltiies have wonderful equipment and radar
displays. I cringe whenever I hear a politician say that we haven't invested a
penny in air traffic control for forty years. It took a long time, yes, but
the upgrades are paying dividends. Now to redesign the airspace maps......

Owen wrote:
The FAA's strategy changed in September, 2001.


Yes.



Primary
coverage will be with us to stay, and may even be expanded in some areas.


Radar's days are limited. After ADS-B gets rolled out radar sites will
be decommissioned.

"Newps" wrote

Radar's days are limited. After ADS-B gets rolled out radar sites will be
decommissioned.

So, will all GA aircraft be required to have an ADS-B system onboard?
--
Jim in NC

In article ,
Newps wrote:

Primary
coverage will be with us to stay, and may even be expanded in some areas.

Radar's days are limited. After ADS-B gets rolled out radar sites will
be decommissioned.

Primary radar will remain in the NAS until the US Air Defense Sectors aren't
required to monitor the NAS. Civilian ATC might not use them, the NORAD, etc
will still require primary radars.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On Aug 6, 10:29 pm, Newps wrote:
Owen wrote:

The FAA's strategy changed in September, 2001.

Yes.

Primary

coverage will be with us to stay, and may even be expanded in some areas.

Radar's days are limited. After ADS-B gets rolled out radar sites will
be decommissioned.

Maybe but my guess is maybe not. Air Traffic Control might "primary"
off of some other form of "radio direction and ranging" but 9/11
pointed out that "primary" still does its job. I am 40...if I Live as
long as my Father has (so far) or my Great Grandfather (106) I suspect
that "primary" is still radiating.

Robert

Newps writes:



Owen wrote:
The FAA's strategy changed in September, 2001.

Primary
coverage will be with us to stay, and may even be expanded in some areas.


Radar's days are limited. After ADS-B gets rolled out radar sites will
be decommissioned.


I doubt that. I've no doubt they'll be downgraded, but as much as the FAA
would love to unplug them, other folks will object.

That said, while the primary radar exists; I hear it's less and less well
maintained. Hopefully it can still spot invading Zeppelins but lesser
targets...?

[Pre WWII, the Germans flew the Graf Zeppelin airship around looking
to see if the British had radar. Trouble was, they were not listening
anywhere near the ~30 Mhz freq. used by the Brit's system.. Needless to
say, to Chain Home it must have looked like a parachute flare in a pitch
black darkroom...]

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