US Coverup of Me-262 Mach Flight

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(robert arndt) wrote:

http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/1/Chelain69-71.html

Someday the real history of Mach flight will be revealed as well as
the German disc aircraft programs of the Third Reich; that is,
whenever the US declassifies that info... or until 2020.

See other post.

Putting a plane into a 40 degree dive doesn't count, or the P-38 would
have made this "record" in 1941.

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Putting a plane into a 40 degree dive doesn't count, or the P-38 would
have made this "record" in 1941.


Supersonic flight in a dive would have counted, but no P-38 ever exceeded
the speed of sound in any attitude.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Putting a plane into a 40 degree dive doesn't count, or the P-38
would have made this "record" in 1941.


Supersonic flight in a dive would have counted, but no P-38 ever
exceeded the speed of sound in any attitude.

I don't have it in front of me but IIRC Yeager said in "Wings" that a P-51
could do it.

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"Bill Silvey" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Putting a plane into a 40 degree dive doesn't count, or the P-38
would have made this "record" in 1941.


Supersonic flight in a dive would have counted, but no P-38 ever
exceeded the speed of sound in any attitude.

I don't have it in front of me but IIRC Yeager said in "Wings" that a P-51
could do it.

Don't think so. Yeager knows better than this believe me. But I'm sure what
he did say could easily have been mistaken , as he has discussed high mach
dives in prop fighters on many occasions.
Sometimes during these "discussions", listening to Yeager speak.... it's
entirely possible to come away with a mistaken impression unless you are
listening VERY closely to what he's saying. That "drawl" of his kind of sits
in your ears and floats around there for a while before it either enters
your brain or gets spit out :-)
Dudley Henriques
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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Putting a plane into a 40 degree dive doesn't count, or the P-38
would have made this "record" in 1941.


Supersonic flight in a dive would have counted, but no P-38 ever
exceeded the speed of sound in any attitude.

I don't have it in front of me but IIRC Yeager said in "Wings" that
a P-51 could do it.

Don't think so. Yeager knows better than this believe me. But I'm
sure what he did say could easily have been mistaken , as he has
discussed high mach dives in prop fighters on many occasions.
Sometimes during these "discussions", listening to Yeager speak....
it's entirely possible to come away with a mistaken impression unless
you are listening VERY closely to what he's saying. That "drawl" of
his kind of sits in your ears and floats around there for a while
before it either enters your brain or gets spit out :-)

I double-checked; Yeager said he'd gotten his P51 to Mach .7 in a dive.

Sorry for the confusion.

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"Bill Silvey" wrote:

I double-checked; Yeager said he'd gotten his P51 to Mach .7 in a dive.

Big Whoop! I can CRUISE at mach .07 in straight_and_level.

-Mike (chek 6) Marron

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Bill Silvey wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
I don't have it in front of me but IIRC Yeager said in "Wings" that
a P-51 could do it.

Don't think so. Yeager knows better than this believe me. But I'm
sure what he did say could easily have been mistaken , as he has
discussed high mach dives in prop fighters on many occasions.

I double-checked; Yeager said he'd gotten his P51 to Mach .7 in a dive.

A Spitfire was taken up into - IIRC - the 0.8-0.9 Mach range during
trials just before the end of WW2 - destroyed the prop and engine in the
process, but somehow the pilot got it all down in one piece. That's
still the Mach record for a piston-engined a/c, I believe.

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"Bill Silvey" wrote in message
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I don't have it in front of me but IIRC Yeager said in "Wings" that a P-51
could do it.


If he said that he's wrong, but I doubt he said it.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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I don't have it in front of me but IIRC Yeager said in "Wings" that
a P-51 could do it.


If he said that he's wrong, but I doubt he said it.

See my earlier post regarding. My mistake.

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Putting a plane into a 40 degree dive doesn't count, or the P-38 would
have made this "record" in 1941.

Supersonic flight in a dive would have counted, but no P-38 ever exceeded
the speed of sound in any attitude.

Some reports suggest it did. It had the streamlining and terminal
velocity characteristics to manage it, if the pilot could deal with the
compressibility problems. But the claims are, to say the least, iffy.

They have about the same provenence as the Me-262 claim in the first
post, though, so they don't count. And if the Me-262 counts, they
should too.

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