Let's Get Real Here.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote

Some people this heavy are not obese as muscular and huge, such as
football players. With exceptions such as "Refrigerator" Perry,
football players are not fat. Yet they weigh a lot. There are 6'4" 300
lb body builders who are considered "Greek Adonis" and not "fat".
Airplanes should be designed to comfortably accomodate NFL offensive
linesmen.

At what expense? Make all trainers capable of hauling weight as a T-34? I
thought you wanted to see less expensive planes?

I don't want to pay to haul around offensive linemen. Even then, your
argument is weak. You and I both know damn well that you are talking mainly
about the obese average height lard ass.

A NFL player can afford to go rent (or buy) a fleet of warbirds, or other
4-6 passenger planes. Let them. I can not.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote
Some people this heavy are not obese as muscular and huge, such as
football players. With exceptions such as "Refrigerator" Perry,
football players are not fat. Yet they weigh a lot. There are 6'4" 300
lb body builders who are considered "Greek Adonis" and not "fat".
Airplanes should be designed to comfortably accomodate NFL offensive
linesmen.

At what expense? Make all trainers capable of hauling weight as a T-34? I
thought you wanted to see less expensive planes?

I don't want to pay to haul around offensive linemen. Even then, your
argument is weak. You and I both know damn well that you are talking mainly
about the obese average height lard ass.

A NFL player can afford to go rent (or buy) a fleet of warbirds, or other
4-6 passenger planes. Let them. I can not.

Don't let anyone accuse you have a sensitive side.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Dan" wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote
Some people this heavy are not obese as muscular and huge, such as
football players. With exceptions such as "Refrigerator" Perry,
football players are not fat. Yet they weigh a lot. There are 6'4" 300
lb body builders who are considered "Greek Adonis" and not "fat".
Airplanes should be designed to comfortably accomodate NFL offensive
linesmen.

At what expense? Make all trainers capable of hauling weight as a T-34?
I
thought you wanted to see less expensive planes?

I don't want to pay to haul around offensive linemen. Even then, your
argument is weak. You and I both know damn well that you are talking
mainly
about the obese average height lard ass.

A NFL player can afford to go rent (or buy) a fleet of warbirds, or
other
4-6 passenger planes. Let them. I can not.

Don't let anyone accuse you have a sensitive side.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

IMHO, the weight limits on Light Sport are the totally unreasonable
determination of a bunch of desk jockeys. At the very least, they should
have accomodated the weights of two seat basic trainers commonly made and
used in the United States. The cost to build and maintain an aircraft of
750KG gross weigth would not be substantially more than for a 600KG
aircraft--and would very likely be less. In attition, it would have put
more companies and craftsmen back to work here in the USA.

Peter
Grrrrr.....

IMHO, the weight limits on Light Sport are the totally unreasonable
determination of a bunch of desk jockeys. At the very least, they should
have accomodated the weights of two seat basic trainers commonly made and
used in the United States. The cost to build and maintain an aircraft of
750KG gross weigth would not be substantially more than for a 600KG
aircraft--and would very likely be less. In attition, it would have put
more companies and craftsmen back to work here in the USA.


Someone else said the utterly obvious ten years ago-if a light
airplane is arbitrarily defined at 12,500 lbs, an ultralight ought to
be 1250 lbs.

On Aug 26, 7:36 pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote



Some people this heavy are not obese as muscular and huge, such as
football players. With exceptions such as "Refrigerator" Perry,
football players are not fat. Yet they weigh a lot. There are 6'4" 300
lb body builders who are considered "Greek Adonis" and not "fat".
Airplanes should be designed to comfortably accomodate NFL offensive
linesmen.

At what expense? Make all trainers capable of hauling weight as a T-34? I
thought you wanted to see less expensive planes?


Key to cost reduction is volume.

The T-34 is the airplane people WANT. Study Trade-A-Plane.

And it isn't even a particularly good airplane.

Study too why MOTORCYCLING is very successful with huge market growth
in the last 50 years and GA is not. Despite being even more
dangerous. Let me know what you think it is. Hint: The Usual Reason
is horse**** and I can prove it.

The T-34 is the airplane people WANT. Study Trade-A-Plane.

And it isn't even a particularly good airplane.

Study too why MOTORCYCLING is very successful with huge market growth
in the last 50 years and GA is not. Despite being even more
dangerous. Let me know what you think it is. Hint: The Usual Reason
is horse**** and I can prove it.


I'm too damned lazy to study it, but just assumed it was ecause you can can
drive your motorcycle to the nearest bar, blip the throttle a cople of
times, and strut inside...

Peter

On Aug 28, 9:47 am, "Peter Dohm" wrote:
The T-34 is the airplane people WANT. Study Trade-A-Plane.

And it isn't even a particularly good airplane.

Study too why MOTORCYCLING is very successful with huge market growth
in the last 50 years and GA is not. Despite being even more
dangerous. Let me know what you think it is. Hint: The Usual Reason
is horse**** and I can prove it.

I'm too damned lazy to study it, but just assumed it was ecause you can can
drive your motorcycle to the nearest bar, blip the throttle a cople of
times, and strut inside...


Well, that's one point, but you don't have freedom of movement in
three axes like an aerobatic aircraft. Thinkl about this question
seriously because in it you will find why personal aviation is nearly
dead.

Bret Ludwig wrote:


Well, that's one point, but you don't have freedom of movement in
three axes like an aerobatic aircraft. Thinkl about this question
seriously because in it you will find why personal aviation is nearly
dead.

Well Bret if you know the reason you ought to tell us so we can maybe do
something about it.

Bret Ludwig wrote:


Well, that's one point, but you don't have freedom of movement in
three axes like an aerobatic aircraft. Thinkl about this question
seriously because in it you will find why personal aviation is nearly
dead.

Well Bret if you know the reason you ought to tell us so we can maybe do
something about it.


A decent amount of time having elapsed, it is now abundantly clear that Bret
knows no more than the rest of us.

We were so hopefull and, now, our hopes are dashed!

Peter :-(

On Aug 30, 9:59 am, "Peter Dohm" wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:

Well, that's one point, but you don't have freedom of movement in
three axes like an aerobatic aircraft. Thinkl about this question
seriously because in it you will find why personal aviation is nearly
dead.

Well Bret if you know the reason you ought to tell us so we can maybe do
something about it.

A decent amount of time having elapsed, it is now abundantly clear that Bret
knows no more than the rest of us.

We were so hopefull and, now, our hopes are dashed!


Oh, sorry. Got busy with other things. Well, I'm not sure it accounts
for all of it, but motorcycles were subject to severe social
opprobrium in the 50s and 60s. Outlaw motorcycle outfits that
terrorized the populace and the cultural treatment of same allowed
the Japanese companies to market their "safe, inoffensive, and
economical" products as a counterpoint. The yuppie fascination with
Harleys would not exist today if they didn't conjure up images of the
forbidden, in doctors and accountants whose fathers would have whipped
their ass if they had bought one in high school.

Cessna and Piper and Beech put out all that horse**** about the light
airplane as a business tool. People don't want them as a business
tool, they want to play fighter pilot. Light aircraft are generally
speaking worthless for business use. That's the purview of crew
operated miniature airliners and turbine helicopters. When the rich
started getting richer faster under Senileman and Bush I the market
for toys and collectibles of all kinds exploded, but Wichita went
into a recession. The reason was that Wichita, a town in which I have
spent way too much time, is loaded with fundamentalist morons and
idiot kids who prefer driving lowriders up and down Kellogg at 3" AGL
to learning to fly.

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