Saw President Bush's plane (response to "Saw J.T.'s Plane")

On Aug 30, 5:30 am, Denny wrote:
The other issue is the presidents movements usurping public spaces and
disrupting commerce and blocking the public's constitutionally
protected freedom of movement (and the VP, and the Speaker, ad
nauseum)...
The day will come when someone will lose a contract, or some such
event, because the unannounced movements of the president and men in
dark suits blocking off public spaces. A lawsuit will result and the
government will lose - as it is a clear issue that no one has the
constitutional right to interrupt the citizenry's access to public
spaces, roads, parks, the airspace, etc... We already tossed one King
off the continent over these types of issues...

I have no desire to see the president injured, or even threatened, but
when it comes to violating my rights versus his 'possible' injury
because he has chosen to go out in public, he will have to take his
chances just like I do when I step off my porch every morning...

denny

Funny you should mention that. President Bush's recent visit to
Seattle delayed me over an hour while I was on my way to the
pharmacist. What if it had been an emergency and I had died? There
were no alternative routes due to the constrictions of lots of water
and narrow bits of land in the Seattle area.

The Southcenter Mall was virtually shut down for hours. The entire
mall! Because the police had blocked off *every* road that led to it.
You probably could have fired a cannon through there and not hit
anyone. Bush was not anywhere near the mall except for two periods of
less than five minutes as he traveled the freeway nearby.

In fact, people have been killed by Presidential motorcades, some
recently. These things are dangerous. The Secret Service really needs
to work on the disruption and hazards to safety caused by their
security. Just because the SS guys are willing to take a bullet for
the President does not meant that everyone else in the country feels
the same way.

On Aug 30, 7:00 am, cjcampbell
wrote:

SNIP

In fact, people have been killed by Presidential motorcades, some
recently. These things are dangerous. The Secret Service really needs
to work on the disruption and hazards to safety caused by their
security. Just because the SS guys are willing to take a bullet for
the President does not meant that everyone else in the country feels
the same way.- Hide quoted text -


There have been fatal accidents involving police officers who were
part of the escort but I've not ever heard of cilvilians dying due to
actions related to POTUS escorts.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

On Aug 30, 2:04 pm, Jay Beckman wrote:
On Aug 30, 7:00 am, cjcampbell
wrote:

SNIP

In fact, people have been killed by Presidential motorcades, some
recently. These things are dangerous. The Secret Service really needs
to work on the disruption and hazards to safety caused by their
security. Just because the SS guys are willing to take a bullet for
the President does not meant that everyone else in the country feels
the same way.- Hide quoted text -

There have been fatal accidents involving police officers who were
part of the escort but I've not ever heard of cilvilians dying due to
actions related to POTUS escorts.

Ah, well, if they were only police officers then it doesn't matter? Of
course, given some of the other postings here, one might expect
someone from Chandler to have that attitude. :-)

"cjcampbell" wrote in message
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On Aug 30, 2:04 pm, Jay Beckman wrote:
On Aug 30, 7:00 am, cjcampbell
wrote:

SNIP

In fact, people have been killed by Presidential motorcades, some
recently. These things are dangerous. The Secret Service really needs
to work on the disruption and hazards to safety caused by their
security. Just because the SS guys are willing to take a bullet for
the President does not meant that everyone else in the country feels
the same way.- Hide quoted text -

There have been fatal accidents involving police officers who were
part of the escort but I've not ever heard of cilvilians dying due to
actions related to POTUS escorts.

Ah, well, if they were only police officers then it doesn't matter?

That wasn't his point even if your point was idiotic.

Of
course, given some of the other postings here, one might expect
someone from Chandler to have that attitude. :-)

Jokes aside, it was the buttbrain from Washington that made the point in the
first place.

You can remove your foot from your mouth any time, CJ.

On Aug 30, 2:35 pm, cjcampbell
wrote:
On Aug 30, 2:04 pm, Jay Beckman wrote:

On Aug 30, 7:00 am, cjcampbell
wrote:

SNIP

In fact, people have been killed by Presidential motorcades, some
recently. These things are dangerous. The Secret Service really needs
to work on the disruption and hazards to safety caused by their
security. Just because the SS guys are willing to take a bullet for
the President does not meant that everyone else in the country feels
the same way.- Hide quoted text -

There have been fatal accidents involving police officers who were
part of the escort but I've not ever heard of cilvilians dying due to
actions related to POTUS escorts.

Ah, well, if they were only police officers then it doesn't matter? Of
course, given some of the other postings here, one might expect
someone from Chandler to have that attitude. :-)

As politely as I can put this CJ...Go **** Yourself..

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

cjcampbell wrote:
Funny you should mention that. President Bush's recent visit to
Seattle delayed me over an hour while I was on my way to the
pharmacist. What if it had been an emergency and I had died? There
were no alternative routes due to the constrictions of lots of water
and narrow bits of land in the Seattle area.

The Southcenter Mall was virtually shut down for hours. The entire
mall! Because the police had blocked off *every* road that led to it.
You probably could have fired a cannon through there and not hit
anyone. Bush was not anywhere near the mall except for two periods of
less than five minutes as he traveled the freeway nearby.

I was recently blocked from driving out of my home building for six
hours, as was pretty much everyone else in the row of buildings around
me, because they had "sterilized" that street in advance of Shrub's
arrival. Same thing - he was nowhere near us except for the brief time
it took the motorcade to race in and out. At least it gave me the
opportunity to stand in the driveway and flip him off as they drove by...