Fatal accident in Scotland

On 3 Sep, 08:52, Dan G wrote:
Only what is in the news:

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid...utf-8&ncl=1120...

Extremely sad, and I wish the injured pilot a full and speedy
recovery.
Dan

Thanks. I've also heard through another route that the glider was the
Scottish Gliding Association ASH-25, SSC.

Ian

The link I posted above no longer works. However, the name of the
pilot has now been released:

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news...661329.0.0.php

All our thoughts are with his family, I'm sure.


Dan

Ian wrote:
On 3 Sep, 08:52, Dan G wrote:
Only what is in the news:

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid...utf-8&ncl=1120...

Extremely sad, and I wish the injured pilot a full and speedy
recovery.
Dan

Thanks. I've also heard through another route that the glider was the
Scottish Gliding Association ASH-25, SSC.

There's also a report in the Scotsman, not quoted here so far as I'm
aware, that adds some minor details:

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1399822007

It mentions another crash, this time on launch at Welland and also on
Sunday.


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On Sep 3, 8:21 pm, Martin Gregorie wrote:
It mentions another crash, this time on launch at Welland and also on
Sunday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/6975780.stm

A Welland member has posted on uras that it was a wing-drop on a winch
launch. Perhaps it is worth noting that it's only a few weeks since
the AAIB published their investigation into fatal winch-launch last
year, when a pilot did not release in a timely manner when his wing
dropped, contary to the BGA Safe Winch Launching advice.


Dan

It seems it has been a rather fatal sunday. This is another accident
near Gap, France. Anyone has more info?
(sorry the link is in French)

http://www.orange.fr/bin/frame.cgi?u...72526.eiefi7vi

This is terrible news, with another winch launching death in Australia on the weekend.

Condolances to all touched by these horrible events.

On another thread JJ Sinclair offered temporary sticks/supports for wings about to depart from outlanding alone.

Has anyone used such a temporary strut system for winching?

Hang glider pilots use dollies during ground roll, with few failures, can we change our ways with a bit of kit to keep the wing off the ground for the first 3 seconds?

bagger

PS

I have long been considering a flexible strut (think Falke) inbuilt to the winglet/trailing edge of new gliders (mainly SLMGs) to assist in lone take-offs.

This strut would rotate electrically with the landing gear actuation and although limited to the height of the winglet, would keep the tip well off the ground during landing and takeoff.
I offered the idea to Jonkers in full but got no reply- would anyone else like to run with it?

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 02:58:34 +0100, bagmaker
wrote:


This is terrible news, with another winch launching death in Australia
on the weekend.

Condolances to all touched by these horrible events.

On another thread JJ Sinclair offered temporary sticks/supports for
wings about to depart from outlanding alone.

Has anyone used such a temporary strut system for winching?

Why not simply keep the left hand *very* close to the release handle
as suggested by standard operating procedure?




Bye
Andreas

Originally Posted by Andreas Maurer[_1_]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 02:58:34 +0100, bagmaker
wrote:


This is terrible news, with another winch launching death in Australia
on the weekend.

Condolances to all touched by these horrible events.

On another thread JJ Sinclair offered temporary sticks/supports for
wings about to depart from outlanding alone.

Has anyone used such a temporary strut system for winching?

Why not simply keep the left hand *very* close to the release handle
as suggested by standard operating procedure?




Bye
Andreas

Simply, Andreas,

Some of these pilots are quite experienced, they would have known the procedures, I dont know if they observed them and its not for me to speculate.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, wings are dropping and crashes are occuring with terribly sad results.

I am just looking outside the box for a possible answer.

Bagger
(not trying to sell anything at all)

On 4 Sep, 10:37, Andreas Maurer wrote:

Why not simply keep the left hand *very* close to the release handle
as suggested by standard operating procedure?

We used to have a system in the UK which ensured this: the pilot waved
one finger for "take up slack" and two for "all out". Thus the launch
didn't start until the signaller was assured that the pilot had a hand
free. Now the launch starts when the signaller feels like it, and s/he
just has to hope that the pilot has a hand near the release, and not
scratching himself, adjusting the altimeter, twiddling with the GPS -
or actually on the release, ready for an unwanted pull off when the
wheel hits a bump.

I'm sure it will change back in due course.

Ian

bagmaker wrote:
Has anyone used such a temporary strut system for winching?

I wouldn't like that: you need the wings level, which would require a
very long support.

....snippage....

I have long been considering a flexible strut (think Falke) inbuilt to
the winglet/trailing edge of new gliders (mainly SLMGs) to assist in
lone take-offs.

This strut would rotate electrically with the landing gear actuation
and although limited to the height of the winglet, would keep the tip
well off the ground during landing and takeoff.
I offered the idea to Jonkers in full but got no reply- would anyone
else like to run with it?

Why limit it to the winglet height? Let it trail - it may not look
pretty but it could be longer, would be low drag and does not need the
TE to be thickened.


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