Accepting cable/rope at start.

On Sep 4, 2:55 pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:
The is related to the other thread on winch launch. I am a firm believer in
not accepting an aerotow rope or a winch cable until the pilot is completely
ready to fly. I teach my students the same.

As a learning routine, I will brief the line person to interrupt the student
pilot while he is doing the pre-flight checklist and agressively insist the
pilot accept the rope RIGHT NOW. If the student asserts his Pilot in
Command authority and tells the line person to back off until asked for the
rope, the student passes the test.

Bill Daniels

agreed Bill. When I was training in Marfa this is how I was taught
and this is how I teach my students. the rope doesnt get hooked until
CBSIFTCB is complete.

On Sep 4, 2:48 pm, wrote:
On Sep 4, 2:55 pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:

The is related to the other thread on winch launch. I am a firm believer in
not accepting an aerotow rope or a winch cable until the pilot is completely
ready to fly. I teach my students the same.

As a learning routine, I will brief the line person to interrupt the student
pilot while he is doing the pre-flight checklist and agressively insist the
pilot accept the rope RIGHT NOW. If the student asserts his Pilot in
Command authority and tells the line person to back off until asked for the
rope, the student passes the test.

Bill Daniels

agreed Bill. When I was training in Marfa this is how I was taught
and this is how I teach my students. the rope doesnt get hooked until
CBSIFTCB is complete.

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On Sep 4, 4:06 pm, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Sep 4, 2:48 pm, wrote:





On Sep 4, 2:55 pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:

The is related to the other thread on winch launch. I am a firm believer in
not accepting an aerotow rope or a winch cable until the pilot is completely
ready to fly. I teach my students the same.

As a learning routine, I will brief the line person to interrupt the student
pilot while he is doing the pre-flight checklist and agressively insist the
pilot accept the rope RIGHT NOW. If the student asserts his Pilot in
Command authority and tells the line person to back off until asked for the
rope, the student passes the test.

Bill Daniels

agreed Bill. When I was training in Marfa this is how I was taught
and this is how I teach my students. the rope doesnt get hooked until
CBSIFTCB is complete.

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frank, i usually do WET - Wind, Emergency plan, and Traffic while the
slack is coming out. while important, i can fly without them. i
would think that when doing auto or winch launching you would probably
want to have them done before hooking up. my only experience flying
or teaching is with aerotow.

On Sep 4, 3:53 pm, wrote:
On Sep 4, 4:06 pm, Frank Whiteley wrote:



On Sep 4, 2:48 pm, wrote:

On Sep 4, 2:55 pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:

The is related to the other thread on winch launch. I am a firm believer in
not accepting an aerotow rope or a winch cable until the pilot is completely
ready to fly. I teach my students the same.

As a learning routine, I will brief the line person to interrupt the student
pilot while he is doing the pre-flight checklist and agressively insist the
pilot accept the rope RIGHT NOW. If the student asserts his Pilot in
Command authority and tells the line person to back off until asked for the
rope, the student passes the test.

Bill Daniels

agreed Bill. When I was training in Marfa this is how I was taught
and this is how I teach my students. the rope doesnt get hooked until
CBSIFTCB is complete.

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frank, i usually do WET - Wind, Emergency plan, and Traffic while the
slack is coming out. while important, i can fly without them. i
would think that when doing auto or winch launching you would probably
want to have them done before hooking up. my only experience flying
or teaching is with aerotow.

Fair enough.

schrieb:

frank, i usually do WET - Wind, Emergency plan, and Traffic while the
slack is coming out. while important, i can fly without them. i
would think that when doing auto or winch launching you would probably
want to have them done before hooking up. my only experience flying
or teaching is with aerotow.

W & T agreed, but emergency plan? You could fly without an emergency plan?

On the winch maybe, because the options are pretty straight forward and
no brainers, but if I had a rope brake during an aerotow shortly after
being airborne, I damned sure would want to have a complete emergency
plan handy.

On Sep 4, 5:49 pm, John Smith wrote:
schrieb:

frank, i usually do WET - Wind, Emergency plan, and Traffic while the
slack is coming out. while important, i can fly without them. i
would think that when doing auto or winch launching you would probably
want to have them done before hooking up. my only experience flying
or teaching is with aerotow.

W & T agreed, but emergency plan? You could fly without an emergency plan?

On the winch maybe, because the options are pretty straight forward and
no brainers, but if I had a rope brake during an aerotow shortly after
being airborne, I damned sure would want to have a complete emergency
plan handy.

yes, the glider will takeoff fine without an emergency plan. no it
will not necessarily takeoff fine with the canopy open, airbrakes out,
controls misrigged, ballast condition wrong etc.

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:09:12 -0700, wrote:


yes, the glider will takeoff fine without an emergency plan.

Bold, Sir.



Bye
Andreas

wrote:

yes, the glider will takeoff fine without an emergency plan.

Of course it will. The question is whether it will land fine in case of
a rope break or another emergency.

On Sep 5, 7:08 am, John Smith wrote:
wrote:
yes, the glider will takeoff fine without an emergency plan.

Of course it will. The question is whether it will land fine in case of
a rope break or another emergency.

Or whether the pilot inexplicably makes a 180 from 100ft

IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 7476 Make/Model: GLID Description: SLINGSBY
GLIDER
Date: 09/02/2007 Time: 2055

Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N
Missing: N
Damage: Unknown

LOCATION
City: HUTCHINSON State: KS Country: US

DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT WHILE BEING TOWED FOR DEPARTURE, CABLE DISENGAGED, STALLED
AND
CRASHED, HUTCHINSON, KS

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 1 Min:
0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
0 Unk:

WEATHER: KHUT 022052Z VRB06KT 10SM CLR 32/11 A3012

OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Other Operation: OTHER

On Sep 4, 11:49 pm, John Smith wrote:

W & T agreed, but emergency plan? You could fly without an emergency plan?

On the winch maybe, because the options are pretty straight forward and
no brainers

If I had a penny for every pilot who thought that, then turned his
glider into a really big lawn dart...


Dan