A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Soaring
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Helmets



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old September 14th 07, 02:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Chip Bearden
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 69
Default Helmets

I have a wire guard in my ASW 24 (USA) and like it. The chances of my
rolling through a wire fence are very small but it was cheap insurance
when I ordered the glider (IIRC ~$300) and I've kept it in for 15
years despite the compromises (see below). I know of at least one
other pilot here in the US who bought one after seeing mine. It's also
a nice place to hang a rearview mirror, which is useful at times.

I also use a 6-point safety harness so that IF I crash in an otherwise
survivable manner, I won't submarine and end up with the lap belt
around my chest as I've seen happen. FWIW, I'm not sure whether a
helmet would have saved Robbie Robertson or my father, Joe Bearden.
Serious trauma to the back of the head was a factor in both of their
fatal glider crashes (a lead shot bag and gel-cel battery,
respectively) but there were other injuries, too (a crushed chest in
one case caused by the lap belt).

I've also had an ELT in the cockpit for 15 years not because I think
I'll crash but just in case. Same comment about cheap insurance.

I'd consider wearing a helmet if it were small and light enough and
didn't interfere with vision more than, say, the hat I already wear.
I'm actually more vulnerable than most of you to head injuries,
ironically because of the wire guard. In the 24 it comprises two bars
that pass on either side of my head before meeting a loop over the
instrument panel. When I wrote Scheicher years ago, they were very
forthcoming with information. Yes, it interferes with visibilty (but
no worse than in gliders with two-piece canopies). No, it probably
won't stop an electrical wire (but might deflect it up and over my
head enough to save me). Yes, I could hit my head in a crash (but it
would be a glancing blow). No, it doesn't reduce headroom (I'm
6.3"--190 cm)...but it might prevent me from wearing a helmet!

Nothing in life is certain. I do many things in gliding to improve my
survival odds just in case I make a mistake or something terrible
happens. I've seen one glider pilot wearing a helmet but it was many
years ago and way too big for most of us. I'd buy and wear one if it
represented a reasonable compromise of added safety, visibility,
comfort (including cooling in Uvalde), cost, etc. Without seeing data
on the incidence of head injuries in gliders and the impact on
survivability and medical costs and our insurance rates, I'd certain
oppose mandatory helmets at this point in time, but I don't think
that's what Tim was suggesting.

I think this is an interesting and useful discussion and the type of
the thing that makes plowing through RAS worthwhile. I would
welcome comments from ex-military and other pilots who've worn helmets
for extended periods of time.

Chip Bearden
ASW 24 "JB"
USA

  #2  
Old September 16th 07, 09:29 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
J a c k
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 61
Default Helmets

Chip Bearden wrote:


I think this is an interesting and useful discussion and the type of
the thing that makes plowing through RAS worthwhile. I would
welcome comments from ex-military and other pilots who've worn helmets
for extended periods of time.



In the fighter aircraft environment it's an unquestioned necessity and
we learned to live with it and were glad to have the helmet.

A lot of things can happen in a bailout, from the reason for the bailout
through egress from the aircraft to the landing and including the
circumstances you find yourself in once on the ground. You can get hurt
in any or all of those phases, and a helmet is important protection for
your sensory and decision-making apparatus. The same goes for abnormal
landing situations, of course.

Though my DG-303 has enough room under the canopy that I might be able
to wear a small light helmet, it would undoubtedly restrict my ability
to move my head around in the cockpit and therefor limit my ability to
see to the sides, down, up, and aft--especially up and aft, a place I
want to be able to see in a thermal with other gliders. It would also
mar the inner surface of the canopy, and contribute reflections in the
plexiglas. A soft dark helmet covering to solve those problems may
contribute to heat build-up, but there would be plenty anyway. The
bucket hat does not pose similar restrictions, as it can be bent out of
the way or taken off with a sweep of the free hand. It can also be
dampened for cooling.

The seating position in my glider and the space in the cockpit are
vastly different from what I had to work with in USAF jets. I will
retain my ability to clear the airspace in preference to wearing a
helmet in my glider, and in preference to adding more weight to my
64-year old semi-reclined neck during those long hours of soaring.

I would seriously consider wearing a helmet in the tow plane, however.



Jack
  #3  
Old September 17th 07, 09:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
[email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 60
Default Helmets

On Sep 16, 1:29 am, J a c k wrote:
Chip Bearden wrote:
I think this is an interesting and useful discussion and the type of
the thing that makes plowing through RAS worthwhile. I would
welcome comments from ex-military and other pilots who've worn helmets
for extended periods of time.


In the fighter aircraft environment it's an unquestioned necessity and
we learned to live with it and were glad to have the helmet.

A lot of things can happen in a bailout, from the reason for the bailout
through egress from the aircraft to the landing and including the
circumstances you find yourself in once on the ground. You can get hurt
in any or all of those phases, and a helmet is important protection for
your sensory and decision-making apparatus. The same goes for abnormal
landing situations, of course.

Though my DG-303 has enough room under the canopy that I might be able
to wear a small light helmet, it would undoubtedly restrict my ability
to move my head around in the cockpit and therefor limit my ability to
see to the sides, down, up, and aft--especially up and aft, a place I
want to be able to see in a thermal with other gliders. It would also
mar the inner surface of the canopy, and contribute reflections in the
plexiglas. A soft dark helmet covering to solve those problems may
contribute to heat build-up, but there would be plenty anyway. The
bucket hat does not pose similar restrictions, as it can be bent out of
the way or taken off with a sweep of the free hand. It can also be
dampened for cooling.

The seating position in my glider and the space in the cockpit are
vastly different from what I had to work with in USAF jets. I will
retain my ability to clear the airspace in preference to wearing a
helmet in my glider, and in preference to adding more weight to my
64-year old semi-reclined neck during those long hours of soaring.

I would seriously consider wearing a helmet in the tow plane, however.

Jack


I 2nd that part about the tow plane - we had a tow pilot seriously
injured when he landed short due to an engine malfunction. To make
matters worse, the plane only had a lap belt (a shoulder belt was
installed afterward). The plane was a Citabria, which has lots of
exposed steel tubing and sharp pointy things. I read of a pilot killed
in an otherwise survivable accident when his head hit a long bolt in
the cockpit (it had been replaced for some reason and they didn't have
the proper length bolt on hand).

Visibility and fatigue are over-riding factors for use of helmets in
gliders, however. A Ruger hook on front hinged canopis is definitely
something to consider (this captures the rear of the canopy during
ejection, preventing incapacitation).

Of course, glider design has definitely improved thru the years. So
buying a newer one isn't a bad idea either (I am begining to sense an
indisputable argument for trading in the old gal - glider that is).

Tom

 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Military pilots complain gadgets added to helmets causing neck Otis Willie Military Aviation 0 September 9th 04 03:47 AM
Airmen deliver 35,000 helmets to Afghanistan Otis Willie Military Aviation 0 June 30th 04 10:51 PM
FS Helmets, Intercom, Radio [email protected] Aviation Marketplace 0 April 17th 04 04:40 PM
Your opinion about helmets? Dave Russell Aerobatics 8 March 13th 04 02:32 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.