Force feedback versus real piloting?

John Doe wrote in news:jR0Oi.2629$y21.1720
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:


Recently I was at a local airport talking to some pilots. One of
them (obviously a real pilot) said that doing a simulator with a
force feedback joystick and then flying a plane made for a smooth
transition.

I'm not a pilot so I didn't argue with that, but I was thinking
"huh?"

Isn't the general consensus here that force feedback is unrealistic?
Maybe I've read the wrong threads or those comments were from non-
pilots?

Partly curious, thanks.




Even the best sims are a very very poosr substitute for a real airplane,
and learning to fly using a sim is not a good idea.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

Even the best sims are a very very poosr substitute for a real airplane,
and learning to fly using a sim is not a good idea.

This is no longer true.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

Even the best sims are a very very poosr substitute for a real
airplane, and learning to fly using a sim is not a good idea.

This is no longer true.


Yes, it is fjukkwit.

I use state of the art sims the doorknobs of shich cost more than the
bankruptcy that broke you and they don't even come close to the real thing.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

I use state of the art sims the doorknobs of shich cost more than the
bankruptcy that broke you and they don't even come close to the real thing.

You're entitled to your opinion, but not everyone shares it.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

I use state of the art sims the doorknobs of shich cost more than the
bankruptcy that broke you and they don't even come close to the real
thing.

You're entitled to your opinion, but not everyone shares it.




You don't get an opinion, fjukktard.

You don't fly.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip writes:

I use state of the art sims the doorknobs of shich cost more than the
bankruptcy that broke you and they don't even come close to the real
thing.

You're entitled to your opinion, but not everyone shares it.

He is but you are not because you have never felt the control forces of a
real aircraft you have nothing to compare your sim experience to.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

Even the best sims are a very very poosr substitute for a real airplane,
and learning to fly using a sim is not a good idea.

This is no longer true.
..
We must distinguish between MSFS and commercial simulators

"The Old Bloke" wrote in
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

Even the best sims are a very very poosr substitute for a real
airplane, and learning to fly using a sim is not a good idea.

This is no longer true.
.
We must distinguish between MSFS and commercial simulators




You can distinguish all you like. Even commercial ones aren't flying and
don't even come close to duplicating flight. They're good for practicing
procedures, emergencies etc, but none of them fly like an airplane.


Bertie

On Oct 7, 7:03 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"The Old Bloke" wrote :

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
.. .
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You can distinguish all you like. Even commercial ones aren't flying and
don't even come close to duplicating flight. They're good for practicing
procedures, emergencies etc, but none of them fly like an airplane.

Bertie

State of the art, full motion sims do a credible job of replicating
flying. There are some things they can't do very well like high g
maneuvering flight, but things like landing, takeoff, instrument
procedures, even air refueling. are done very realistically. The FAA
awards type certificates in certain airframes without any "real"
airframe time based on the quality of the simulation. I used to do
threat validation for Air Force aircrew training devices and I've seen
many different sims--some of them would give you the leans and motion
sickness just like an aircraft. I am a pilot and flew fighters.

150flivver wrote in
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On Oct 7, 7:03 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"The Old Bloke" wrote
:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
.. .
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You can distinguish all you like. Even commercial ones aren't flying
and don't even come close to duplicating flight. They're good for
practicing procedures, emergencies etc, but none of them fly like an
airplane.

Bertie

State of the art, full motion sims do a credible job of replicating
flying. There are some things they can't do very well like high g
maneuvering flight, but things like landing, takeoff, instrument
procedures, even air refueling. are done very realistically. The FAA
awards type certificates in certain airframes without any "real"
airframe time based on the quality of the simulation. I used to do
threat validation for Air Force aircrew training devices and I've seen
many different sims--some of them would give you the leans and motion
sickness just like an aircraft. I am a pilot and flew fighters.



KI know all that and I' e flown those sims. I disagree, I don't think they
do a credible job. They do enough to get by, but that's about it,.


Bertie