Force feedback versus real piloting?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

Even the best sims are a very very poosr substitute for a real airplane,
and learning to fly using a sim is not a good idea.

This is no longer true.
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We must distinguish between MSFS and commercial simulators

"The Old Bloke" wrote in
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

Even the best sims are a very very poosr substitute for a real
airplane, and learning to fly using a sim is not a good idea.

This is no longer true.
.
We must distinguish between MSFS and commercial simulators




You can distinguish all you like. Even commercial ones aren't flying and
don't even come close to duplicating flight. They're good for practicing
procedures, emergencies etc, but none of them fly like an airplane.


Bertie

On Oct 7, 7:03 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"The Old Bloke" wrote :

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You can distinguish all you like. Even commercial ones aren't flying and
don't even come close to duplicating flight. They're good for practicing
procedures, emergencies etc, but none of them fly like an airplane.

Bertie

State of the art, full motion sims do a credible job of replicating
flying. There are some things they can't do very well like high g
maneuvering flight, but things like landing, takeoff, instrument
procedures, even air refueling. are done very realistically. The FAA
awards type certificates in certain airframes without any "real"
airframe time based on the quality of the simulation. I used to do
threat validation for Air Force aircrew training devices and I've seen
many different sims--some of them would give you the leans and motion
sickness just like an aircraft. I am a pilot and flew fighters.

150flivver wrote in
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On Oct 7, 7:03 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"The Old Bloke" wrote
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You can distinguish all you like. Even commercial ones aren't flying
and don't even come close to duplicating flight. They're good for
practicing procedures, emergencies etc, but none of them fly like an
airplane.

Bertie

State of the art, full motion sims do a credible job of replicating
flying. There are some things they can't do very well like high g
maneuvering flight, but things like landing, takeoff, instrument
procedures, even air refueling. are done very realistically. The FAA
awards type certificates in certain airframes without any "real"
airframe time based on the quality of the simulation. I used to do
threat validation for Air Force aircrew training devices and I've seen
many different sims--some of them would give you the leans and motion
sickness just like an aircraft. I am a pilot and flew fighters.



KI know all that and I' e flown those sims. I disagree, I don't think they
do a credible job. They do enough to get by, but that's about it,.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

KI know all that and I' e flown those sims. I disagree, I don't think they
do a credible job. They do enough to get by, but that's about it,.

What part of the simulation leads you to this opinion?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

KI know all that and I' e flown those sims. I disagree, I don't think
they do a credible job. They do enough to get by, but that's about
it,.

What part of the simulation leads you to this opinion?


All of it, fukkwit.

Not that you will ever know.


Bertie

"150flivver" wrote:

I've seen
many different sims--some of them would give you the leans and motion
sickness just like an aircraft.

I've gotten motion sickness at an IMAX.

The full motion USCG sim I tried out was extremely cool, but it did not feel
like flying.

OTOH, I don't have any real HU-25 time, so my testimony is somewhat suspect.


--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

"150flivver" wrote in message
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The FAA awards type certificates in certain airframes without any "real"
airframe time based on the quality of the simulation.

I don't disagree with the idea that simulators are very useful; however,
it's important to note that everybody the FAA certifies as above has already
flown an actual airplane and is aware of the differences, haven't they?

IOW, you can't go from Zero hours to solo-ready in a simulator.

-c

Gatt writes:

IOW, you can't go from Zero hours to solo-ready in a simulator.

Then again, if you have a simulator so realistic that it allows you to become
"solo-ready," why would you want to solo at all? Flying the real thing might
not have any obvious advantages.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Gatt writes:

IOW, you can't go from Zero hours to solo-ready in a simulator.

Then again, if you have a simulator so realistic that it allows you to
become "solo-ready," why would you want to solo at all? Flying the
real thing might not have any obvious advantages.




Yes, good advice,. stick to your guns and your bedroom, fjukktard

bertie