Should We Bomb Syria and Iran?

"Kenneth Williams" wrote in message
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I personally think Iran is the worst of the two and should be bombed
if Tehran does not cooperate with the nuclear inspectors on its covert
nuclear weapons program. The US can't afford to have a nuclear-armed
Iran sitting right next door when the US is trying to rebuild Iraq and
allowing democracy in that region.

Don't forget Irael isn't cooperating with the Atomic Energy Agency either.

I think Israel is justified with its doctrine of pre-emptive strikes.
The US seems destined to follow under the circumstances.

Yeah, (putting aside the machinations of their governments) let's **** off
another few tens of millions of people who already view us and our motives
with suspicion. Go all the way and confirm their worst fears, and give them
a reason to sign up and fight the unholy aggressor...

Si

"Simon Robbins" wrote:

Don't forget Irael isn't cooperating with the Atomic Energy Agency
either.

Israel never signed the Nonproliferation Treaty.

Iran is in violation of the treaty, Israel is not.

You might also note that while Iran has publicly threatened to use nukes
(whenever they get them) several times, Israel has not.

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Slam on brakes accordingly.

Simon Robbins wrote in message
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Yeah, (putting aside the machinations of their governments) let's ****
off
another few tens of millions of people who already view us and our
motives
with suspicion. Go all the way and confirm their worst fears, and give
them
a reason to sign up and fight the unholy aggressor...

Si

You must be an serious medication if you think the Arabs are waiting to
make that decision. Time to do what is necessary and forget if they
like it when we do it.

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Scott
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"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

"tscottme" wrote in message
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You must be an serious medication if you think the Arabs are waiting to
make that decision. Time to do what is necessary and forget if they
like it when we do it.

And your "what is necessary" will likely earn yourself and your descendants
a hundred years of justifiable hatred and payback by people who largely
couldn't give a damn at present. Any idea that the entire Muslim world is
ready to pick up arms against America at the first chance is simply a
product of your Department of Homeland Insecurity. We're still talking
about a tiny minority that view us all with anything more than a mild
suspicion.

Si

Simon Robbins wrote in message
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And your "what is necessary" will likely earn yourself and your
descendants
a hundred years of justifiable hatred and payback by people who
largely
couldn't give a damn at present. Any idea that the entire Muslim
world is
ready to pick up arms against America at the first chance is simply a
product of your Department of Homeland Insecurity. We're still
talking
about a tiny minority that view us all with anything more than a mild
suspicion.


Isn't 1% of 1.6 billion people is still larger than the Russian and
Chinese Armies. Unlike the coddled Europeans, I'm under no illusion
that it is possible to have the people with whom you are at war like
you. I see no benefit to listening to the people that always complain
as if their complaints could just as easily have been compliments were
the facts different. When the Arabs say they are shocked that the US
seems to favor Israel over them, when they launch car bombs every 30
minutes, I have to wonder why anyone listens to their hallucinations.

The Wahhabis/Salafis know this is a fight to the death, that won't
change simply because we hope it is not. When I see massive
demonstrations by "peaceful Muslims" protesting the hijacking of Islam,
I will reconsider my suspicion of all of them. When I see them respect
Christian human rights I might consider them civilized. When I see them
protest slavery in various Muslim states I might consider they have an
interest in justice and humane treatment. It matters not at all if
their dysfunctional condition is due to their religion, their ignorance,
their tribalism, or their delusion. When they use "civilians" to
attack, that's reason enough to consider their civilians as soldiers.
When they come after my country, I could care less if they are offended.

--

Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

"tscottme" wrote in message
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Isn't 1% of 1.6 billion people is still larger than the Russian and
Chinese Armies.

1% would equate to 16 million Muslims craving the chance to pick up arms
against Americans. Where are they? 16 million people should be creating
hell on a much larger scale than we're seeing today if that were the case.

The Wahhabis/Salafis know this is a fight to the death, that won't
change simply because we hope it is not. When I see massive
demonstrations by "peaceful Muslims" protesting the hijacking of Islam,
I will reconsider my suspicion of all of them.

If an extremist Christian group started killing people, would you expect to
see massive demonstrations of conventional Christians protesting? If the
media and popular culture actively demonised all Christians because of the
extremist policies of a few would you expect them not to take offence? How
many people really ever protest anything? It's always going to be easier to
organise an anti-American/Abortion/War/Cabbage protest than an anti- one.
It's the nature of humanity. Those in the majority mainstream seem to feel
the cause is diluted enough not to bother.

When I see them respect
Christian human rights I might consider them civilized.

There are few Muslim countries where Christianity is not tolerated, and many
where they exist side by side. Ironically those with the extremist views
seem to be our closest allies.

When I see them
protest slavery in various Muslim states I might consider they have an
interest in justice and humane treatment.

There are plenty of places on the planet where justice and humane treatment
are severely lacking, and Islamic religion is a not a deciding factor. Some
we choose to go to war against, others we make favored trading partners.
When we start considering liberty and justice over commerce and dollars then
we can lecture on that one.

It matters not at all if
their dysfunctional condition is due to their religion, their ignorance,
their tribalism, or their delusion. When they use "civilians" to
attack, that's reason enough to consider their civilians as soldiers.
When they come after my country, I could care less if they are offended.

I spent occasional periods of my forces-brat childhood being told to remain
in the house while my father checked under the car before starting the
engine with the door open, yet never did I believe that all the Irish were
out to get us. Yet you use the term "they" to tar a billion people with the
sins of their worst.

Si