the ideal fire/water bomber?

"Morgans" wrote in
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"patrick mitchel" wrote in message
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After watching the multiplicity of ac doing their jobs on the
southern cal fires this last week and hearing that the guvmint C130
had the wrong sized tanks and the forestry dept and said guvmint were
haggling over what should be done, I thought I'd ask what is the
opinions of others regarding what current - or hypothetical craft
would be considered for the role. Thanks Pat

The ideal fire bomber is the CL-415.

There is nothing out there that can put more water on a fire per hour
than this plane. A small but to make this statement true is a lake or
river nearby that can be used for airborne scooping.

A CL-415 with a nearby water source can put as much as 63,000 gallons
on a fire in an hour. Other planes have to return to an airstrip and
refill, taking 30 minutes or more for one trip. A CL-415 can put a
full load on a fire and scoop up 1400 gallons and be back to the fire
ready to drop in 1 1/2 minutes, or less. 45 trips per hour X 1400
gallons = 63,000 gallons per hour. Impressive.


I've watched one put out a real fire in france. Amazing. But the key here
is nearby water source. without one how good is it compared to anything of
similar size and weight?


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" I've watched one put out a real fire in france.
Amazing. But the key here
is nearby water source. without one how good is it compared to anything of
similar size and weight?


Bertie

Burnbutt........................how do you propose ANY can put out a fire
without a warter source?

"karl gruber" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" I've watched one put out a real fire in france.
Amazing. But the key here
is nearby water source. without one how good is it compared to
anything of similar size and weight?


Bertie

Burnbutt........................how do you propose ANY can put out a
fire without a warter source?


Oh I don't know, you could go past it and blow on it, or pee on it.


you;'re not too god at this trolling thing, are you?

Bertie

Interesting that according to the wiki art on the CL215 that the los
angeles fire dept helped to sink a US manufacturing of the plane. The same
plane that's working down heah now... Pat

"patrick mitchel" wrote in
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Interesting that according to the wiki art on the CL215 that the los
angeles fire dept helped to sink a US manufacturing of the plane. The
same plane that's working down heah now... Pat



Sounds pretty unlikely. I can't see any reason why production would be
moved to the us unless Canadair couldn't keep up with orders.


Bertie

You don't have to call me God .

I'm not trolling with big glass of cheap whisky though, like
you....Buttburn.


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"karl gruber" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" I've watched one put out a real fire in france.
Amazing. But the key here
is nearby water source. without one how good is it compared to
anything of similar size and weight?


Bertie

Burnbutt........................how do you propose ANY can put out a
fire without a warter source?


Oh I don't know, you could go past it and blow on it, or pee on it.


you;'re not too god at this trolling thing, are you?

Bertie

"karl gruber" wrote in news:fg3nhf$lii$1
@aioe.org:

You don't have to call me God .

OK, I won't.


I'm not trolling with big glass of cheap whisky though, like
you....Buttburn.


Maybe you should try it. It certainly couldn't do your style much harm.



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote

I've watched one put out a real fire in france. Amazing. But the key here
is nearby water source. without one how good is it compared to anything of
similar size and weight?

It can also refill on the ground with a hose and tanker. It can lift a full
load off of a runway, 1200 gallons for a 215, 1400 gallons for a 415. I
would have to do some searching to find out how much runway it would take,
but it isn't much.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote

I've watched one put out a real fire in france. Amazing. But the key
here is nearby water source. without one how good is it compared to
anything of similar size and weight?

It can also refill on the ground with a hose and tanker. It can lift
a full load off of a runway, 1200 gallons for a 215, 1400 gallons for
a 415. I would have to do some searching to find out how much runway
it would take, but it isn't much.


Oh I know, but that just puts it on even footing with a similar sized
aircraft with a tank installed, in which case, if you were buying an
airplane to protect an area with no bodies of water nearby, you'd be as
well off or better off buying something even larger that's filled the same
way.

Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Morgans" wrote in
It can also refill on the ground with a hose and tanker. It can lift
a full load off of a runway, 1200 gallons for a 215, 1400 gallons for
a 415. I would have to do some searching to find out how much runway
it would take, but it isn't much.
Do they still make the -215 as the av book shows it having the PW R2800
recip engines- do they still make those or are they using a reman? Gotta be
a lot more econmical at least from the fuel burn at low altitudes. Pat