When to descend II

pgbnh wrote:
OK, now how does this change if, prior to reaching ROYCE, we are switched to
the tower and Tower says Cessna 123, cleared to land. (The OP did receive
such a clearance, but it was not clear where he was at the time)Does the
altitude restriction still hold?

I would say no, as, to me, 'Cleared to land' means that I am now in control
of my heading and altitude

Not until you reach ROYCE and the visual approach clearance becomes
effective.

Just like reporting the OM to the tower when the weather is 200 and 1/2
and the tower says "Cleared to land."

Bee wrote:

pgbnh wrote:

OK, now how does this change if, prior to reaching ROYCE, we are
switched to the tower and Tower says Cessna 123, cleared to land. (The
OP did receive such a clearance, but it was not clear where he was at
the time)Does the altitude restriction still hold?

I would say no, as, to me, 'Cleared to land' means that I am now in
control of my heading and altitude


Not until you reach ROYCE and the visual approach clearance becomes
effective.

Just like reporting the OM to the tower when the weather is 200 and 1/2
and the tower says "Cleared to land."



Reporting the marker to the tower is not necessary unless asked for.

Newps wrote:


Bee wrote:

pgbnh wrote:

OK, now how does this change if, prior to reaching ROYCE, we are
switched to the tower and Tower says Cessna 123, cleared to land.
(The OP did receive such a clearance, but it was not clear where he
was at the time)Does the altitude restriction still hold?

I would say no, as, to me, 'Cleared to land' means that I am now in
control of my heading and altitude



Not until you reach ROYCE and the visual approach clearance becomes
effective.

Just like reporting the OM to the tower when the weather is 200 and
1/2 and the tower says "Cleared to land."




Reporting the marker to the tower is not necessary unless asked for.

And, your point is?

"Bee" wrote in message ...

Not until you reach ROYCE and the visual approach clearance becomes
effective.


The visual approach clearance was effective the instant it was issued.

pgbnh wrote:

OK, now how does this change if, prior to reaching ROYCE, we are switched to
the tower and Tower says Cessna 123, cleared to land. (The OP did receive
such a clearance, but it was not clear where he was at the time)Does the
altitude restriction still hold?

I would say no, as, to me, 'Cleared to land' means that I am now in control
of my heading and altitude


You are correct.

Newps wrote:



pgbnh wrote:

OK, now how does this change if, prior to reaching ROYCE, we are
switched to the tower and Tower says Cessna 123, cleared to land. (The
OP did receive such a clearance, but it was not clear where he was at
the time)Does the altitude restriction still hold?

I would say no, as, to me, 'Cleared to land' means that I am now in
control of my heading and altitude



You are correct.

So, it is now okay to descend into that traffic that you speculated
exists in your early post in this thread?

Yes, because the issuance of the 'Clear to land' indicates that the traffic
is no longer an issue. I forget the FAR numbers, but I believe my obligation
is to comply with the most recently received directions from ATC. Clear to
land means I am the decision maker on heading and altitude and previous
restrictions and directions no longer apply
"Bee" wrote in message ...
Newps wrote:



pgbnh wrote:

OK, now how does this change if, prior to reaching ROYCE, we are
switched to the tower and Tower says Cessna 123, cleared to land. (The
OP did receive such a clearance, but it was not clear where he was at
the time)Does the altitude restriction still hold?

I would say no, as, to me, 'Cleared to land' means that I am now in
control of my heading and altitude



You are correct.

So, it is now okay to descend into that traffic that you speculated exists
in your early post in this thread?

"Bee" wrote in message ...

So, it is now okay to descend into that traffic that you speculated exists
in your early post in this thread?


Traffic wasn't an issue.

If the controller is using vertical separation between the OP's aircraft and
traffic beneath him that lower traffic would also require an altitude
restriction that insured separation. The minimum separation is 1000' if the
lower aircraft is IFR and 500' if it's VFR, but the altitude restriction
cannot be lower than the MVA. Look at the approach plate, there is a 593
MSL tower about four miles southwest of ROYCE, the MVA can't be lower than
1600 MSL within three miles of that tower, and it's probably higher. Do the
math.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

You're 4 miles SW of ROYCE.

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00198IL12R.PDF

Approach says "Cessna '1GS,cross ROYCE at or above 2 thousand, cleared
visual approach runwy 12R. Contact the tower on 118.7."

On initial contact, Tower says "Cessna '1GS, runwy 12R, cleared to land."

Do you still have to cross ROYCE at 2,000 or can you head for the numbers
and come on down?


Head for the numbers and come on down.