contest number question

Udo wrote:

Why would you call the other pilot if you see him?
There are only limited circumstances in which a call is appropriate.
I never could under stand why one would make a call
if the calling pilot is in a 180 degree cone behind the pilot.
If you feel under thread from that pilot do not go near him.
I can not stand it when a call is made "I am passing from behind
overhead" or similar announcements when it is clear that pilot is showing poor
judgment.


I prefer to stay out of the potential maneuvering area of another ship.
When I cannot do that I want him to know where I am, because there are
positions from which an abrupt maneuver by another ship will make a
collision nearly unavoidable. He may be less likely to begin a four-g
push than an abrupt pull-up, but you never really know.

There are other things to watch in the sky which may cause him to
maneuver abruptly in ways I do not anticipate and this may complicate my
avoidance of those other hazards.

The possible scenarios are too numerous to bother with here, but I see
no reason not to share knowledge that can enhance safety.

The fact that radio procedures are normally too informal and
undisciplined is a different problem. It does not justify reluctance to
trade useful information.



Jack

J a c k wrote:
Why would you call the other pilot if you see him?


The fact that radio procedures are normally too informal and
undisciplined is a different problem. It does not justify reluctance to
trade useful information.

Jack

Thanks Jack. That was very well said. I fully agree.

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Udo wrote:
Why would you call the other pilot if you see him?

So I can tell him that an ATR, Piper, Cessna (add your brand here) is about
to run his ass down.

Nearly happened to me. And I appreciate the fella who let me know.

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Perhaps we should have on the top of the wing as well - safety
benefits are small - smile generation benefits are high ... :-)

Ken Kochanski (KK) wrote:
Perhaps we should have on the top of the wing as well - safety
benefits are small - smile generation benefits are high ... :-)

Not in the UK on a glass glider - BGA rules forbid it (dark areas
inboard of the tip). IIRC the same applies in the US.


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Is anybody aware of any contest committee talk (or actual rule change) of the Under-the-Wing-Contest-ID requirement going away in the US?

I've heard..
"..IGC does not require any more competition signs on the wing,.."

SSA Website says..
http://www.ssa.org/ContestCommittee?show=blog&id=1552

Thanks,
Jamie Shore

On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 1:38:21 PM UTC-5, Jamie Shore wrote:
Is anybody aware of any contest committee talk (or actual rule change) of the Under-the-Wing-Contest-ID requirement going away in the US?

I've heard..
"..IGC does not require any more competition signs on the wing,.."

SSA Website says..
http://www.ssa.org/ContestCommittee?show=blog&id=1552

Thanks,
Jamie Shore

No rule change is contemplated. We believe being able to easily identify a competitor can enhance safety.
UH

On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 11:38:21 AM UTC-7, Jamie Shore wrote:
Is anybody aware of any contest committee talk (or actual rule change) of the Under-the-Wing-Contest-ID requirement going away in the US?

I've heard..
"..IGC does not require any more competition signs on the wing,.."

SSA Website says..
http://www.ssa.org/ContestCommittee?show=blog&id=1552

Thanks,
Jamie Shore

I second UH's statement. Under wing numbers are no longer used for scoring but for glider to glider identification and communication. Hard to tell YY he/she is about to hit you if you don't know who it is. "White glider, I am on your right" does not work in a contest Read and follow the rules for size and color. We have too many gliders with light grey number colors and script letters that are not legal at contests. As JJ said ten years ago, we have one Diana that should not be allowed to fly because of script contest ID, but he is easy to identify. For fun we could file a protest at a contest just to make those without proper ID scramble.

At 00:10 02 February 2018, Tim Taylor wrote:
On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 11:38:21 AM UTC-7, Jamie Shore wrote:
Is anybody aware of any contest committee talk (or actual rule change)
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"..IGC does not require any more competition signs on the wing,.."
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http://www.ssa.org/ContestCommittee?...blog&id=3D1552
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Jamie Shore

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Would anyone care to define this statement from the SSA site regarding the
size of contest numbers: "â—¦Numbers shall be as large as possible
consistent with form C position and clearance requirements."?

6.2.2 The Contest ID shall be displayed in a contrasting color on both sides of the vertical tail (minimum height 12 inches) and
under the right wing (bottom of ID toward the trailing edge of the wing; minimum height is the smaller of 24 inches or 90% of the
wing chord excluding a control surface).