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Old December 14th 07, 05:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.


So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?

I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.


That is purely a matter of opinion.
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Old December 14th 07, 11:23 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Your completely correct, it's a matter of opinion. But you have no grounds
to make a judgment since you will not do both where as several of these
posters have done both and refute your expresses opinion as being wrong.
Get over it, you just don't know what your talking about.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.


So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?

I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.


That is purely a matter of opinion.


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Old December 14th 07, 12:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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news.verizon.net writes:

Your completely correct, it's a matter of opinion. But you have no grounds
to make a judgment since you will not do both where as several of these
posters have done both and refute your expresses opinion as being wrong.
Get over it, you just don't know what your talking about.


My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.

Opinions are opinions, not established facts. That's something that everyone
needs to learn and understand. Even a pilot with a billion hours of
experience is still expressing an opinion, not an established fact. The
distinction is important because decisions made on opinions treated as facts
are often extremely poor decisions. And if you treat opinions as facts you
make yourself vulnerable to manipulation, which will almost never be in your
favor.
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Old December 14th 07, 12:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You have no
direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there for your judgment
is without basis.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
news.verizon.net writes:

Your completely correct, it's a matter of opinion. But you have no
grounds
to make a judgment since you will not do both where as several of these
posters have done both and refute your expresses opinion as being wrong.
Get over it, you just don't know what your talking about.


My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.

Opinions are opinions, not established facts. That's something that
everyone
needs to learn and understand. Even a pilot with a billion hours of
experience is still expressing an opinion, not an established fact. The
distinction is important because decisions made on opinions treated as
facts
are often extremely poor decisions. And if you treat opinions as facts
you
make yourself vulnerable to manipulation, which will almost never be in
your
favor.


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Old December 14th 07, 01:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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news.verizon.net writes:

No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You have no
direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there for your judgment
is without basis.


As I've said, learning that all opinions are equal takes time. Some learn the
easy way, and some learn the hard way.
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Old December 14th 07, 04:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote in
:

news.verizon.net writes:

No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You
have no direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there
for your judgment is without basis.


As I've said, learning that all opinions are equal takes time.



Wow, this has to be the stupidst thing anyone has ever said ever.


I'm genuinely impressed.


Bertie
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Old December 14th 07, 04:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
Mxsmanic wrote in
:

news.verizon.net writes:

No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You
have no direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there
for your judgment is without basis.


As I've said, learning that all opinions are equal takes time.



Wow, this has to be the stupidst thing anyone has ever said ever.


I'm genuinely impressed.


Stupider than "Flying has nothing to do with being in the air" ?



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Old December 16th 07, 11:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote in
:

news.verizon.net writes:

No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You
have no direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there
for your judgment is without basis.

As I've said, learning that all opinions are equal takes time.



Wow, this has to be the stupidst thing anyone has ever said ever.


I'm genuinely impressed.


Bertie


Nope! The absolute 100% stupidest thing anyone has ever said on the
entire planet was said by John Q. Pilot when he hollered upstairs to his
lovely bride who was cooking dinner;
"I'll be up in a minute dear. I have to post an answer to one of
Mxsmanic's questions."
:-))

--
Dudley Henriques
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Old December 15th 07, 05:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
news.verizon.net writes:

No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You have no
direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there for your judgment
is without basis.


As I've said, learning that all opinions are equal takes time. Some learn the
easy way, and some learn the hard way.


For someone who has spent so much time with computer programs, your grasp of logic is
remarkably deficient. A simple exercise in set theory can disprove that all opinions are
equal. That sounds more like something they use to offer encouragement to kids who ride
the short bus:

"Of course your drawing of a horse is as good as anyone else's, Anthony! Just because it
has five legs, two tails, is as tall as the Eiffel Tower next to it, and no one has ever
seen a horse with a purple head and green body, doesn't mean that it's not as good as any
of the horse drawings you see in your art book. Don't let those mean old kids on the
playground tell you any different!"


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Old December 15th 07, 09:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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John Mazor writes:

For someone who has spent so much time with computer programs, your grasp of logic is
remarkably deficient. A simple exercise in set theory can disprove that all opinions are
equal.


Opinions are not abstract mathematical entities.
 




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