Soaring under the Bravo?

Recreational and business pilots in the Chicago area were recently
informed that the current 20-25 NM radius B-airspace is proposed to be
increased all the way to the 30NM transponder veil. Comments can be
filed until January 12. The 3 area glider clubs will be impacted with
one club being located 28 NM from O'Hare. The floor of the B-airspace
will be at 4,000 MSL if this proposal should pass.

Interestingly, the justifications heard for this change match exactly
the points stated here already. Pilot members of our clubs that are
flying into Chicago City airports regularly report that ATC is
specifically advising them when exiting and re-entering B airspace -
obviously establishing records for having to do so.

Our course of action will most likely be a petition to carve out a
sector over the affected glider port or/and to request for the floor
of the outside ring to be raised to 5,000'. In any case, we will
loose quite a few of the current Northern Illinois turnpoints.
Question: Anyone knows how ATC reacts to requests to briefly
transition B-airspace on the outside border (transponder equipped
glider)? Many of our local gliders fly with transponders.

Herb Kilian, J7

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:06:21 -0800 (PST), Herb
wrote:

Recreational and business pilots in the Chicago area were recently
informed that the current 20-25 NM radius B-airspace is proposed to be
increased all the way to the 30NM transponder veil. Comments can be
filed until January 12. The 3 area glider clubs will be impacted with
one club being located 28 NM from O'Hare. The floor of the B-airspace
will be at 4,000 MSL if this proposal should pass.

ouch...

Interestingly, the justifications heard for this change match exactly
the points stated here already. Pilot members of our clubs that are
flying into Chicago City airports regularly report that ATC is
specifically advising them when exiting and re-entering B airspace -
obviously establishing records for having to do so.

They REALLY want to decrease workload and frequency congestion...I do
understand and agree with that.

Question: Anyone knows how ATC reacts to requests to briefly
transition B-airspace on the outside border (transponder equipped
glider)? Many of our local gliders fly with transponders.

I would think it to be the same as transitioning it in any slow small
power plane. You have a radio and a transponder...if "UNABLE " they
will tell ya. Will also depend on where you are in relation to
traffic flow too. I can probably get cleared to buzz around all day
at 3K MSL NW of CLE, as the primary traffic flow is NE/SW...

Around here (CLE), in a C172, if you call up for flight following
they'll usually clear you into the Bravo, and vector you clear of
traffic.

--Don
Don Byrer KJ5KB
Radar Tech & Smilin' Commercial Pilot Guy
Glider & CFI wannabe
kj5kb-at-hotmail.com

"I have slipped the surly bonds of earth; now if I can just land without bending the gear..."
"Watch out for those doves...smack-smack-smack-smack..."

On Jan 4, 4:27*pm, Don Byrer wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:06:21 -0800 (PST), Herb
wrote:

Recreational and business pilots in the Chicago area were recently
informed that the current 20-25 NM radius B-airspace is proposed to be
increased all the way to the 30NM transponder veil. *

Don -
SSA got the notice on December 31, to invite glider folks to the
meetings.
It was passed to local folks in a matter of hours.

The Botsford club Pres. has had a conversation with me on Friday,
and he has a pile of information to share at the Saturday club meeting
on various items to do and how to collect data to help thwart the
shelf.

You will be quite a resource to Bruce, there. The best way to get
the outcome you want is to bash them with their own protocols.

Cleveland may be a pile of work,and it may not get a perfect outcome,
but it seems
I am having to type a lot on Airspace issues for SSA members this
month.
Cleveland and Chicago have a Class B change,, and a MOA in Nevada,
and the ADS-B NPRM.

I will post more on RAS later to get the keyboardists in line to file
comments as needed.

Thanks,

Cindy B

Who is Cindy B???

Mike Schumann

"CindyB" wrote in message
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On Jan 4, 4:27 pm, Don Byrer wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:06:21 -0800 (PST), Herb
wrote:

Recreational and business pilots in the Chicago area were recently
informed that the current 20-25 NM radius B-airspace is proposed to be
increased all the way to the 30NM transponder veil.

Don -
SSA got the notice on December 31, to invite glider folks to the
meetings.
It was passed to local folks in a matter of hours.

The Botsford club Pres. has had a conversation with me on Friday,
and he has a pile of information to share at the Saturday club meeting
on various items to do and how to collect data to help thwart the
shelf.

You will be quite a resource to Bruce, there. The best way to get
the outcome you want is to bash them with their own protocols.

Cleveland may be a pile of work,and it may not get a perfect outcome,
but it seems
I am having to type a lot on Airspace issues for SSA members this
month.
Cleveland and Chicago have a Class B change,, and a MOA in Nevada,
and the ADS-B NPRM.

I will post more on RAS later to get the keyboardists in line to file
comments as needed.

Thanks,

Cindy B





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Cindy Brickner from Cal City.


On Jan 5, 3:04*pm, "Mike Schumann"
wrote:
Who is Cindy B???

aviationnut wrote:
Cindy Brickner from Cal City.


On Jan 5, 3:04 pm, "Mike Schumann"
wrote:
Who is Cindy B???

Cindy Brickner is also the member of the SSA Government Liaison
Committee responsible for airspace matters...

Marc

On Jan 5, 3:04 pm, "Mike Schumann"
wrote:
Who is Cindy B???

Cindy Brickner is also the member of the SSA Government Liaison
Committee responsible for airspace matters...

Marc

Hey, don't forget that Cindy is also a regional director on the board
of the SSA and has been for a long time, she also was a speaker at
many conventions, and at least year's convention, to celebrate the
75th anniversary of the SSA, she hosted a very well attended session
on "generations" in soaring. She's the Bomb in Soaring! (isn't that
what the kids say, when someone or something is really really cool?)

What is the SSA's position on the ADS-B NPRM?

Mike Schumann

"CindyB" wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 4:27 pm, Don Byrer wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:06:21 -0800 (PST), Herb
wrote:

Recreational and business pilots in the Chicago area were recently
informed that the current 20-25 NM radius B-airspace is proposed to be
increased all the way to the 30NM transponder veil.

Don -
SSA got the notice on December 31, to invite glider folks to the
meetings.
It was passed to local folks in a matter of hours.

The Botsford club Pres. has had a conversation with me on Friday,
and he has a pile of information to share at the Saturday club meeting
on various items to do and how to collect data to help thwart the
shelf.

You will be quite a resource to Bruce, there. The best way to get
the outcome you want is to bash them with their own protocols.

Cleveland may be a pile of work,and it may not get a perfect outcome,
but it seems
I am having to type a lot on Airspace issues for SSA members this
month.
Cleveland and Chicago have a Class B change,, and a MOA in Nevada,
and the ADS-B NPRM.

I will post more on RAS later to get the keyboardists in line to file
comments as needed.

Thanks,

Cindy B





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