funny

In article , Barnyard BOb --
writes:


I don't know.
What?

I do know.... the last Soob powered local plane crashed,
burned and the pilot became another fatality statistic off the
end of runway. Maiden flight Propulsion issues.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19459&key=1


So how then do you explain a recent RV-6 with a certified engine that also
crashed on its maiden flight with propulsion issues? Was it a bad engine
choice or a bad installation?

YMMV, but you appear to share and reflect the pilot-builder's deadly
attitude. The devil lurks in the 10,000 details.


That is the real issue, was the engine a bad choice or was the installation not
done correctly?


Barnyard BOb -- Ignorance is bliss


I won't go there! :-)


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Robert, can't fine that one could you point me to a NTSB report?
Because I fly an RV-6 I try to learn from the other guys mistakes.
Thanks,

Jerry

RobertR237 wrote:
In article , Barnyard BOb --
writes:


I don't know.
What?

I do know.... the last Soob powered local plane crashed,
burned and the pilot became another fatality statistic off the
end of runway. Maiden flight Propulsion issues.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19459&key=1



So how then do you explain a recent RV-6 with a certified engine that also
crashed on its maiden flight with propulsion issues? Was it a bad engine
choice or a bad installation?


YMMV, but you appear to share and reflect the pilot-builder's deadly
attitude. The devil lurks in the 10,000 details.



That is the real issue, was the engine a bad choice or was the installation not
done correctly?


Barnyard BOb -- Ignorance is bliss



I won't go there! :-)


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Try Greg Young's RV-6 N6GY first flight.
"Jerry Springer" wrote in message
ink.net...
Robert, can't fine that one could you point me to a NTSB report?
Because I fly an RV-6 I try to learn from the other guys mistakes.
Thanks,

Jerry

RobertR237 wrote:
In article , Barnyard BOb --
writes:


I don't know.
What?

I do know.... the last Soob powered local plane crashed,
burned and the pilot became another fatality statistic off the
end of runway. Maiden flight Propulsion issues.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19459&key=1



So how then do you explain a recent RV-6 with a certified engine that
also
crashed on its maiden flight with propulsion issues? Was it a bad
engine
choice or a bad installation?


YMMV, but you appear to share and reflect the pilot-builder's deadly
attitude. The devil lurks in the 10,000 details.



That is the real issue, was the engine a bad choice or was the
installation not
done correctly?


Barnyard BOb -- Ignorance is bliss



I won't go there! :-)


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

In article . net, Jerry
Springer writes:


Robert, can't fine that one could you point me to a NTSB report?
Because I fly an RV-6 I try to learn from the other guys mistakes.
Thanks,

Jerry



I don't know about the NTSB report but it occured at David Wayne Hooks airport
about a year or so ago. The guy didn't stay in the pattern and the engine
failed as he was returning to the airport. Crashed into a trailer (and tree)
not too far from the airport. I don't know all the details but his engine just
stopped with what I later heard were fuel supply problems.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

RobertR237 wrote:

In article . net, Jerry
Springer writes:


Robert, can't fine that one could you point me to a NTSB report?
Because I fly an RV-6 I try to learn from the other guys mistakes.
Thanks,

Jerry




I don't know about the NTSB report but it occured at David Wayne Hooks airport
about a year or so ago. The guy didn't stay in the pattern and the engine
failed as he was returning to the airport. Crashed into a trailer (and tree)
not too far from the airport. I don't know all the details but his engine just
stopped with what I later heard were fuel supply problems.


Bob Reed

Thanks Bob I believe that is the one Cy refered to earlier.

Jerry

That was Greg Young.

"RobertR237" wrote in message
...
In article . net, Jerry
Springer writes:


Robert, can't fine that one could you point me to a NTSB report?
Because I fly an RV-6 I try to learn from the other guys mistakes.
Thanks,

Jerry



I don't know about the NTSB report but it occured at David Wayne Hooks
airport
about a year or so ago. The guy didn't stay in the pattern and the engine
failed as he was returning to the airport. Crashed into a trailer (and
tree)
not too far from the airport. I don't know all the details but his engine
just
stopped with what I later heard were fuel supply problems.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

NTSB Identification: FTW01LA164. The docket is stored in the (offline) NTSB
Imaging System.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Thursday, July 12, 2001 in Spring, TX
Probable Cause Approval Date: 11/28/01
Aircraft: Young RV-6, registration: N6GY
Injuries: 1 Minor.
This was the first flight of the homebuilt airplane following its
certification on the day prior to the accident. While returning from the
airplane's maiden flight, about 10 nautical miles from the airport,
approximately 1,200 feet msl, the pilot turned the electric fuel pump on for
landing, and the engine began to run "rough." He turned the fuel pump off
and the engine "smoothed out." With the fuel pump on, the pilot could lean
the mixture and get the engine to "smooth out." After trying several
combinations of fuel pump and mixture settings, the pilot thought the engine
was running smooth and planned for a tight pattern, high speed approach,
with the mixture full rich and the fuel pump off. While on base leg, at
approximately 600 feet agl, the aircraft appeared to be settling faster than
anticipated. The pilot attempted to add power, but the engine was "dead and
just wind milling." He went through a "quick restart" and at approximately
400 feet, initiated a forced landing to a nearby trailer park and declared
an emergency. The airplane touched down between two rows of trailers, and
during the landing roll the right wing impacted a tree. The airplane came to
rest upright with the left wing against a house trailer. The reason for the
loss of engine power could not be determined.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of
this accident as follows:

the loss of engine power for undetermined reasons during the landing
approach. A contributing factor was the lack of suitable terrain for the
forced landing.
"Cy Galley" wrote in message
news:PL2gb.694506$uu5.113525@sccrnsc04...
That was Greg Young.

"RobertR237" wrote in message
...
In article . net, Jerry
Springer writes:


Robert, can't fine that one could you point me to a NTSB report?
Because I fly an RV-6 I try to learn from the other guys mistakes.
Thanks,

Jerry



I don't know about the NTSB report but it occured at David Wayne Hooks
airport
about a year or so ago. The guy didn't stay in the pattern and the
engine
failed as he was returning to the airport. Crashed into a trailer (and
tree)
not too far from the airport. I don't know all the details but his
engine
just
stopped with what I later heard were fuel supply problems.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:06:58 +0000, RobertR237 wrote:

In article , Barnyard BOb --
writes:


I don't know.
What?

I do know.... the last Soob powered local plane crashed, burned and the
pilot became another fatality statistic off the end of runway. Maiden
flight Propulsion issues.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19459&key=1


So how then do you explain a recent RV-6 with a certified engine that
also crashed on its maiden flight with propulsion issues? Was it a bad
engine choice or a bad installation?

YMMV, but you appear to share and reflect the pilot-builder's deadly
attitude. The devil lurks in the 10,000 details.


That is the real issue, was the engine a bad choice or was the
installation not done correctly?


There is a lot more service history and corporate knowledge on Lycoming
and Continental installations than there is for automotive conversions. So
a Lycoming or Continental installer has a lot more info to work with, and
he is much less likely to come up with a bad installation.

I think there is some hope that well engineered, firewall-forward
automotive conversion packages may eventually become as reliable as
Lycomings or Continentals. But getting the same reliablity from home-brew
conversions will be a lot more difficult. We need more guys like Bruce
Frank collecting and diseminating information, and all builders need to
share info on what works and what doesn't work.

--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
e-mail: khorton02(_at_)rogers(_dot_)com