Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:56:07 -0500, Charles Vincent
wrote:


Pat Phillips, a member of the EAA Legal Advisory Council as well as Sun
’n Fun air show chairman and a fly-in director, is familiar with the
situation. “If somebody goes out of state and buys an airplane in a
state that charges no sales tax and brings it to Florida, and the
airplane is based in Florida, the buyer lives in Florida, and is using
the airplane in Florida, yes, he would owe a 6 percent use tax,” he said.

“Now, if a transient aircraft comes into Florida from a state where they
have not paid sales tax on the aircraft or are just visiting here, they
would have no obligation to pay a use tax in the state of Florida just
for using their airplane while visiting in the state,” he said. “And I
believe constitutionally that would be in conflict with the commerce
laws of the U.S.”

Phillips added, “If a person, willingly or innocently, avoids sales tax
by buying out of state but bases his aircraft in Florida and lives in
the state, then the use tax obligation may apply. But for a person who
simply flies down to Florida but lives in another state, he will not be
assessed a tax. It’s preposterous to even think the state would impose a
sales tax.”

So is the EAA lawyer going to go talk to the Florida DOR for the
Meridian owner who flew to VRB for training and got smacked with a
$100,000 tax bill because he flew to FL in an out-of-state based and
registered aircraft for a week to get training and then left? It's
not like the original areo-news article (and today's follow-up cover
responding to the EAA's above message) doesn't have documented cases
of people having to go to court for what he says is "preposterous to
even think" would happen.

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:56:07 -0500, Charles Vincent wrote:

Reading the referenced story and linked articles, you would think the
author has a bigger axe to grind with Sun n Fun than the Florida sales
tax.

True, and apparently he has.

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I wasn't aware that maniac had a cousin.

Jim



--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford

"WJRFlyBoy" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/24og9o

Read about the bewildering details of a number of long-suffering
non-resident pilots who have been caught in the FL tax trap, (otherwise
known as the "Florida Landing Fee").

On Mar 22, 1:15*am, WJRFlyBoy wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/24og9o

No kidding.

The article makes no sense. First it makes it sound like anyone flying
down to Florida may get charged this tax. Then it says vehicles that
are bought out-of-state but titled in Florida are charged. Well, the
same had been true in California for decades. If you put a CA address
in the FAA registry for the aircraft address you will automatically
get a tax bill. So the take-away of this article is that if you fly to
Sun-in-fun don't list your hotel address as the address where the
aircraft is registered.

-robbert

Hey folks, I thought you would all like to know that the story about the
Meridian and Cirrus owners getting hit with Florida state sales or use
tax for allegedly doing nothing more than stopping there is actually A
REPEAT FROM MAY 2007! Here's the original story (NOTE THE ARTICLE DATE):

http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav....4039&Dynamic=1

Okay - now - why is the story being rehashed at just this time? Any of
you students of life care to raise a hand and give an answer? ;-)

Oh yeah - and my suspicion that the Piper Meridian was actually a sale
of a new aircraft from a Florida based company (and therefore reasonably
subject to Florida sales tax) is hinted at by these quotes from that
article:

"... Piper is reportedly NOT pleased about the Meridian tax bill noted
above ... We have a feeling that Piper CEO Jim Bass may have a few
things to say, as a result of these recent events, since anyone taking
delivery at a Florida Piper plant may find themselves with a tax bill,
even if they leave the state right away and never darken the state's
borders again."

So basically the article all but admits the buyer of that ~$1.9M Piper
Meridian[1] took delivery in Florida. No wonder someone well heeled
enough to afford that kind of plane didn't try very hard to contest the
6% sales tax (~$114,000).

[1] http://www.newpiper.com/aircraft/mer...ifications.asp

In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:
Hey folks, I thought you would all like to know that the story about the
Meridian and Cirrus owners getting hit with Florida state sales or use
tax for allegedly doing nothing more than stopping there is actually A
REPEAT FROM MAY 2007!

So what?

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

(Edward A. Falk) wrote:
In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:
Hey folks, I thought you would all like to know that the story about the
Meridian and Cirrus owners getting hit with Florida state sales or use
tax for allegedly doing nothing more than stopping there is actually A
REPEAT FROM MAY 2007!

So what?

You elided the essential bits of my post and left that? Why?

On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Okay - now - why is the story being rehashed at just this time? Any of
you students of life care to raise a hand and give an answer? ;-)

Would you Zoom-bashers (and I'm not contesting whether you're right to do so
or not!) PLEASE explain why AOPA is raising the same concerns, if the whole
thing is just a Zoom vendetta?

Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
...
On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Okay - now - why is the story being rehashed at just this time? Any of
you students of life care to raise a hand and give an answer? ;-)

Would you Zoom-bashers (and I'm not contesting whether you're right to do
so
or not!) PLEASE explain why AOPA is raising the same concerns, if the
whole
thing is just a Zoom vendetta?


I suspect Phil Boyer is actually doing something about it, rather than
printing re-runs.

On 2008-03-25, Steve Foley wrote:
"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
...
Would you Zoom-bashers (and I'm not contesting whether you're right to do
so or not!) PLEASE explain why AOPA is raising the same concerns, if the
whole thing is just a Zoom vendetta?
I suspect Phil Boyer is actually doing something about it, rather than
printing re-runs.

Indeed...and he'd look awfully silly trying to get the Florida Department of
Revenue to fix a problem that's not a problem.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)