Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !

http://tinyurl.com/24og9o

Read about the bewildering details of a number of long-suffering
non-resident pilots who have been caught in the FL tax trap, (otherwise
known as the "Florida Landing Fee").

It starts like this... you buy a new or used aircraft and sign the bill
of sale... which starts "the clock." It is Florida's position that for
the next six months (possibly thereafter, though the burden of proof
reportedly changes at that point), the state has the right to exact the
requisite "Use Tax" (Sales Tax) for the fact you partook of the state's
services unless you can show an equivalent Use or Sales Tax receipt from
another state...

In other words, for those of you who may have bought a $500K Cessna,
Cirrus, Columbia, etc... unless you can prove that you paid the
equivalent use tax in another state, you owe the state of Florida some
$30K if you visited the state in the first six months of your ownership.
Mind you, if your sales/use tax bill comes from a state that exacts LESS
tax than Florida, the FL Department of Revenue still expects you to pony
up the difference... and if you're from a state that exacts a minimum
fee (like the few hundred dollars for owners in South Carolina), they
will bill you for the WHOLE difference... and its up to you to fight
them on it.

No kidding.

That same thought process should work for a car or RV for that matter.
Way to go, FL!


On Mar 22, 4:15*am, WJRFlyBoy wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/24og9o

Read about the bewildering details of a number of long-suffering
non-resident pilots who have been caught in the FL tax trap, (otherwise
known as the "Florida Landing Fee").

It starts like this... you buy a new or used aircraft and sign the bill
of sale... which starts "the clock." It is Florida's position that for
the next six months (possibly thereafter, though the burden of proof
reportedly changes at that point), the state has the right to exact the
requisite "Use Tax" (Sales Tax) for the fact you partook of the state's
services unless you can show an equivalent Use or Sales Tax receipt from
another state...

In other words, for those of you who may have bought a $500K Cessna,
Cirrus, Columbia, etc... unless you can prove that you paid the
equivalent use tax in another state, you owe the state of Florida some
$30K if you visited the state in the first six months of your ownership.
Mind you, if your sales/use tax bill comes from a state that exacts LESS
tax than Florida, the FL Department of Revenue still expects you to pony
up the difference... and if you're from a state that exacts a minimum
fee (like the few hundred dollars for owners in South Carolina), they
will bill you for the WHOLE difference... and its up to you to fight
them on it.

No kidding.

There's nothing new here. AFAIK, every state has the same policy. You
buy a large ticket item out of state to avoid state sales/use tax and
you're liable for the tax when you bring it home.

It's a stretch to say that if you visit Florida you're going to get
nailed for this tax. But, given where this item showed up and the
author of it, I'm not surprised. Reading the article I'm not surprised
to find his normal Sun and Fun bashing...

John

WJRFlyBoy wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/24og9o

Read about the bewildering details of a number of long-suffering
non-resident pilots who have been caught in the FL tax trap, (otherwise
known as the "Florida Landing Fee").

It starts like this... you buy a new or used aircraft and sign the bill
of sale... which starts "the clock." It is Florida's position that for
the next six months (possibly thereafter, though the burden of proof
reportedly changes at that point), the state has the right to exact the
requisite "Use Tax" (Sales Tax) for the fact you partook of the state's
services unless you can show an equivalent Use or Sales Tax receipt from
another state...

In other words, for those of you who may have bought a $500K Cessna,
Cirrus, Columbia, etc... unless you can prove that you paid the
equivalent use tax in another state, you owe the state of Florida some
$30K if you visited the state in the first six months of your ownership.
Mind you, if your sales/use tax bill comes from a state that exacts LESS
tax than Florida, the FL Department of Revenue still expects you to pony
up the difference... and if you're from a state that exacts a minimum
fee (like the few hundred dollars for owners in South Carolina), they
will bill you for the WHOLE difference... and its up to you to fight
them on it.

No kidding.

On 2008-03-22, John Ammeter wrote:
It's a stretch to say that if you visit Florida you're going to get
nailed for this tax. But, given where this item showed up and the
author of it, I'm not surprised. Reading the article I'm not surprised
to find his normal Sun and Fun bashing...

I first heard about this when Phil Boyer mentioned it briefly at the AOPA
Pilot's Town Meeting in Charlotte last Tuesday. It's real.
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:06:35 GMT, Jay Maynard wrote:

On 2008-03-22, John Ammeter wrote:
It's a stretch to say that if you visit Florida you're going to get
nailed for this tax. But, given where this item showed up and the
author of it, I'm not surprised. Reading the article I'm not surprised
to find his normal Sun and Fun bashing...

I first heard about this when Phil Boyer mentioned it briefly at the AOPA
Pilot's Town Meeting in Charlotte last Tuesday. It's real.

It is very real and is beginning to be a heavily enforced tax source for
FL. Money from non constituents, political paradise.

"John Ammeter" wrote ...
It's a stretch to say that if you visit Florida you're going to get nailed
for this tax. But, given where this item showed up and
the author of it, I'm not surprised. Reading the article I'm not
surprised to find his normal Sun and Fun bashing...


Yup,... I read this article at ANN a few days back and was saddened to think
the old Capt Zoom is Back.

I had become a fan Jim Campbell's latest effort with Aero-News Net. I
visited it several times a week, even beginning to prefer it to AvWeb as a
timely info source. I even went over and shook Jim's hand at Hartford AOPA
Expo (where I saw him with camera crew in tow), to wish him success with his
new Aero TV Video Network. I thought his video coverage at AirVenture was
excellent.

Unfortunately this Florida Tax article shows his backslide into the nasty
side of his Capt Zoom alter ego, where he displays no hesitancy to use his
media network against his perceived enemies. I can only assume that shortly
before Jim penned that article he had again been denied Media Credentialed
Access to Sun-n-Fun. No doubt a harsh reminder of his "ban for life".

In article xBgFj.638$Qv5.93@trnddc03, Mike Isaksen says...

Yup,... I read this article at ANN a few days back and was saddened to think
the old Capt Zoom is Back.

I had become a fan Jim Campbell's latest effort with Aero-News Net. I
visited it several times a week, even beginning to prefer it to AvWeb as a
timely info source. I even went over and shook Jim's hand at Hartford AOPA
Expo (where I saw him with camera crew in tow), to wish him success with his
new Aero TV Video Network. I thought his video coverage at AirVenture was
excellent.

Unfortunately this Florida Tax article shows his backslide into the nasty
side of his Capt Zoom alter ego, where he displays no hesitancy to use his
media network against his perceived enemies. I can only assume that shortly
before Jim penned that article he had again been denied Media Credentialed
Access to Sun-n-Fun. No doubt a harsh reminder of his "ban for life".

Mike what you just found out is something a lot of us experienced a long time
ago ,the Tiger never changes his stripes. It happened the first time when he was
with a California based Magazine, he burned bridges and moved East and behaved
himself . Then he had a nice magazine for a while and his nasty backside reared
it evil vindictive head again and the zoom wars started in earnest. His magazine
went bust.He went quiet again and behaved. ANN started and it's just a matter of
time before the real zoom shows up aaaanndd He's Baack!!

One thing for sure is that when he's acting up in public he's been active
behind the scenes. He's still billing advertizers for ads they don't want.

What you did when you shook his hand was to encourage him to think that he's
justified in his actions.All he needs is one Atta Boy and he's off and running.
He's still a phoney .IMHO.

Chuck S

Credibility it was always about credibility....Chuck S

On Mar 23, 10:47*am, ChuckSlusarczyk
wrote:
In article xBgFj.638$Qv5.93@trnddc03, Mike Isaksen says...

Yup,... I read this article at ANN a few days back and was saddened to think
the old Capt Zoom is Back.

I had become a fan Jim Campbell's latest effort with Aero-News Net. I
visited it several times a week, even beginning to prefer it to AvWeb as a
timely info source. I even went over and shook Jim's hand at Hartford AOPA
Expo (where I saw him with camera crew in tow), to wish him success with his
new Aero TV Video Network. I thought his video coverage at AirVenture was
excellent.

Unfortunately this Florida Tax article shows his backslide into the nasty
side of his Capt Zoom alter ego, where he displays no hesitancy to use his
media network against his perceived enemies. I can only assume that shortly
before Jim penned that article he had again been denied Media Credentialed
Access to Sun-n-Fun. No doubt a harsh reminder of his "ban for life".

Mike what you just found out is something a lot of us experienced a long time
ago ,the Tiger never changes his stripes. It happened the first time when he was
with a California based Magazine, he burned bridges and moved East and behaved
himself . Then he had a nice magazine for a while and his nasty backside reared
it evil vindictive head again and the zoom wars started in earnest. His magazine
went bust.He went quiet again and behaved. ANN started and it's just a matter of
time before the real zoom shows up aaaanndd He's Baack!!

One thing for sure *is that when he's acting up in public he's been active
behind the scenes. He's still billing advertizers for ads they don't want.

What you did when you shook his hand was to encourage him to think that he's
justified in his actions.All he needs is one Atta Boy and he's off and running.
He's still a phoney .IMHO.

Chuck S

Credibility it was always about credibility....Chuck S

Hey Chuck!!!

This latest line of zzzoom B.S. is one of those deals that just don't
add up. Can you imagine Netjets or some outfit like that flying a new
Gulfstream into Florida to pick up a charter and get that tax bill.
Maybe the state should just post a tax collector at each gate at MIA
and bill American every time they taxi in a new 777.

I liked the part toward the end of his rant about SnF inflating their
visitor count. I remember when the worthless ******* sued me (I won).
He stated under oath that he had in excess of 45,000 paid subscribers
to his so called magazine most believe it was closer to maybe 4,000 or
less.

This is just his latest ploy to stick it to SnF for barring him from
the show. You can about set your watch by his annual anti- Sun n Fun
rant.

Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


This latest line of zzzoom B.S. is one of those deals that just don't
add up. Can you imagine Netjets or some outfit like that flying a new
Gulfstream into Florida to pick up a charter and get that tax bill.
Maybe the state should just post a tax collector at each gate at MIA
and bill American every time they taxi in a new 777.

I liked the part toward the end of his rant about SnF inflating their
visitor count. I remember when the worthless ******* sued me (I won).
He stated under oath that he had in excess of 45,000 paid subscribers
to his so called magazine most believe it was closer to maybe 4,000 or
less.

This is just his latest ploy to stick it to SnF for barring him from
the show. You can about set your watch by his annual anti- Sun n Fun
rant.

Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq

He might have a not-so-secret agenda, but wanna tell the Meridian
owner who got a $100,000+ tax bill when he showed up at SimCom for a
week that it's all in this guy's head?

WJRFlyBoy wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/24og9o

Read about the bewildering details of a number of long-suffering
non-resident pilots who have been caught in the FL tax trap, (otherwise
known as the "Florida Landing Fee").

It starts like this... you buy a new or used aircraft and sign the bill
of sale... which starts "the clock." It is Florida's position that for
the next six months (possibly thereafter, though the burden of proof
reportedly changes at that point), the state has the right to exact the
requisite "Use Tax" (Sales Tax) for the fact you partook of the state's
services unless you can show an equivalent Use or Sales Tax receipt from
another state...

In other words, for those of you who may have bought a $500K Cessna,
Cirrus, Columbia, etc... unless you can prove that you paid the
equivalent use tax in another state, you owe the state of Florida some
$30K if you visited the state in the first six months of your ownership.
Mind you, if your sales/use tax bill comes from a state that exacts LESS
tax than Florida, the FL Department of Revenue still expects you to pony
up the difference... and if you're from a state that exacts a minimum
fee (like the few hundred dollars for owners in South Carolina), they
will bill you for the WHOLE difference... and its up to you to fight
them on it.

No kidding.


Reading the referenced story and linked articles, you would think the
author has a bigger axe to grind with Sun n Fun than the Florida sales
tax.

From the EAA website:

Sun 'n Fun Calls Reports of Florida Use Tax Inaccurate

March 21, 2008 — Recent reports of “use taxes” being levied on airplanes
owned by non-resident visitors to Florida are not accurate, according to
officials at Sun ’n Fun Fly-In at Lakeland, Florida, whose annual
aviation season kick-off takes place the week of April 8-13. Sun ’n Fun
has fielded numerous calls from concerned pilots and exhibitors worried
about the report and is looking to alleviate those concerns.

“I’ve talked with the General Counsel of the Florida Department of
Revenue and he assured me that, number 1, there will not be state tax
agents doing ramp checks, and that out-of-state pilots have nothing to
fear,” said John Burton, Sun ’n Fun president. The Florida DoR informed
Burton that the tax affects only those owners who have purchased their
airplane in another state (outside Florida) within the past six months,
but who have the aircraft titled and registered in Florida and have not
paid Florida sales tax on that airplane.

Sun ’n Fun received correspondence from Florida Department of Revenue
Executive Director Lisa Echeverri dated March 19, 2008, that includes
the statement: “Florida does not assess a use tax on non-resident
aircraft owners in every circumstance where an aircraft is brought to
Florida within the first six months.”

“It does not impact Sun ’n Fun exhibitors and aircraft dealers; it does
not impact aircraft owners who have owned their aircraft for more than
six months,” Burton said. “The idea of having somebody who has purchased
an airplane out of state and is not a resident of FL, getting charged a
use tax here is absolutely ludicrous.

“It’s a classic case of much ado about nothing.”

Pat Phillips, a member of the EAA Legal Advisory Council as well as Sun
’n Fun air show chairman and a fly-in director, is familiar with the
situation. “If somebody goes out of state and buys an airplane in a
state that charges no sales tax and brings it to Florida, and the
airplane is based in Florida, the buyer lives in Florida, and is using
the airplane in Florida, yes, he would owe a 6 percent use tax,” he said.

“Now, if a transient aircraft comes into Florida from a state where they
have not paid sales tax on the aircraft or are just visiting here, they
would have no obligation to pay a use tax in the state of Florida just
for using their airplane while visiting in the state,” he said. “And I
believe constitutionally that would be in conflict with the commerce
laws of the U.S.”

Phillips added, “If a person, willingly or innocently, avoids sales tax
by buying out of state but bases his aircraft in Florida and lives in
the state, then the use tax obligation may apply. But for a person who
simply flies down to Florida but lives in another state, he will not be
assessed a tax. It’s preposterous to even think the state would impose a
sales tax.”

When EAA’s Government Affairs department learned about the Florida use
tax story, it responded immediately by contacting its Legal Advisory
Council, which worked with Sun ’n Fun management to get official
clarification from the Florida Department of Revenue.

“This is a good example of how our staff, working with the council, was
able to get to the bottom of this story and help clarify this
situation,” said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and
regulatory affairs. “Hopefully this will put to rest the concerns of
non-Florida residents who intend to fly into the state for Sun ’n Fun,
or any time, for that matter.”