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Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Patty of course flies a bevy of mounts. Her personal plane is an Extra
300S. It's got a Lycoming modified to 350hp and a roll rate of 420
degrees/sec.
Patty works out constantly and is probably in the same shape as an
Olympic athlete. She's also flying Jim Beasley's Mustangs.
...and she's pretty too!!! :-))



You'd have to be in good shape for that. I've been doing a bit in
anticipation of the arrival of the Citabria (now pushed back yet another
month because of the crap Wx in PA) Just watching those red bull guys gives
me a hedache.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Patty of course flies a bevy of mounts. Her personal plane is an Extra
300S. It's got a Lycoming modified to 350hp and a roll rate of 420
degrees/sec.
Patty works out constantly and is probably in the same shape as an
Olympic athlete. She's also flying Jim Beasley's Mustangs.
...and she's pretty too!!! :-))



You'd have to be in good shape for that. I've been doing a bit in
anticipation of the arrival of the Citabria (now pushed back yet another
month because of the crap Wx in PA) Just watching those red bull guys gives
me a hedache.


Bertie

We have several Red Bull Pilots in the workgroup. I'm with you. These
guys are redefining flying as we knew it.
What are they doing to the Citabria..fabric or engine work or both?
The weather's beginning to break in Pa. if that helps any.

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Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Patty of course flies a bevy of mounts. Her personal plane is an
Extra 300S. It's got a Lycoming modified to 350hp and a roll rate of
420 degrees/sec.
Patty works out constantly and is probably in the same shape as an
Olympic athlete. She's also flying Jim Beasley's Mustangs.
...and she's pretty too!!! :-))



You'd have to be in good shape for that. I've been doing a bit in
anticipation of the arrival of the Citabria (now pushed back yet
another month because of the crap Wx in PA) Just watching those red
bull guys gives me a hedache.


Bertie

We have several Red Bull Pilots in the workgroup. I'm with you. These
guys are redefining flying as we knew it.
What are they doing to the Citabria..fabric or engine work or both?
The weather's beginning to break in Pa. if that helps any.

Yeah, the guy doing it wasn't able for the weather, he's very old. And
you can't paint in sub zero temps.
It's a complete rebuild. I didn't have time to do it so I got a friend
who owns an airport to do it for me. It'll be a virtually new airplane
when it's done. It's a KCAB so it will be a good sport machine.
Actually, I have a query for you. My understanding is that the aerobatic
category requires a load of +5/-3 and my memeory of the airplane is that
is what it was rated for, but I just bought a flight manual for it that
says +5 and -2, but it says the airplane is aerobatic. The new ones seem
to be the same, so presumably it was always that way. Any idea?


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Patty of course flies a bevy of mounts. Her personal plane is an
Extra 300S. It's got a Lycoming modified to 350hp and a roll rate of
420 degrees/sec.
Patty works out constantly and is probably in the same shape as an
Olympic athlete. She's also flying Jim Beasley's Mustangs.
...and she's pretty too!!! :-))


You'd have to be in good shape for that. I've been doing a bit in
anticipation of the arrival of the Citabria (now pushed back yet
another month because of the crap Wx in PA) Just watching those red
bull guys gives me a hedache.


Bertie
We have several Red Bull Pilots in the workgroup. I'm with you. These
guys are redefining flying as we knew it.
What are they doing to the Citabria..fabric or engine work or both?
The weather's beginning to break in Pa. if that helps any.

Yeah, the guy doing it wasn't able for the weather, he's very old. And
you can't paint in sub zero temps.
It's a complete rebuild. I didn't have time to do it so I got a friend
who owns an airport to do it for me. It'll be a virtually new airplane
when it's done. It's a KCAB so it will be a good sport machine.
Actually, I have a query for you. My understanding is that the aerobatic
category requires a load of +5/-3 and my memeory of the airplane is that
is what it was rated for, but I just bought a flight manual for it that
says +5 and -2, but it says the airplane is aerobatic. The new ones seem
to be the same, so presumably it was always that way. Any idea?


Bertie

Actually, if the airplane is a production model the limits for full
aerobatic category are +6 and -3.
My understanding on the Citabria at +5 -2 I believe had something to do
with the wood spars. Also, the Citabria is licenced as a production
airplane with a Limited Aerobatic Category rating at +5 and -2. The
Decathlon has a FULL Aerobatic rating at 6/3.


I've never actually looked it up but the full details are probably in
FAR's 21 and/or 23.

I haven't had much to do with Citabria's for quite a while so my
information might need a bit of updating :-)


--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Patty of course flies a bevy of mounts. Her personal plane is an
Extra 300S. It's got a Lycoming modified to 350hp and a roll rate
of 420 degrees/sec.
Patty works out constantly and is probably in the same shape as an
Olympic athlete. She's also flying Jim Beasley's Mustangs.
...and she's pretty too!!! :-))


You'd have to be in good shape for that. I've been doing a bit in
anticipation of the arrival of the Citabria (now pushed back yet
another month because of the crap Wx in PA) Just watching those red
bull guys gives me a hedache.


Bertie
We have several Red Bull Pilots in the workgroup. I'm with you.
These guys are redefining flying as we knew it.
What are they doing to the Citabria..fabric or engine work or both?
The weather's beginning to break in Pa. if that helps any.

Yeah, the guy doing it wasn't able for the weather, he's very old.
And you can't paint in sub zero temps.
It's a complete rebuild. I didn't have time to do it so I got a
friend who owns an airport to do it for me. It'll be a virtually new
airplane when it's done. It's a KCAB so it will be a good sport
machine. Actually, I have a query for you. My understanding is that
the aerobatic category requires a load of +5/-3 and my memeory of the
airplane is that is what it was rated for, but I just bought a flight
manual for it that says +5 and -2, but it says the airplane is
aerobatic. The new ones seem to be the same, so presumably it was
always that way. Any idea?


Bertie

Actually, if the airplane is a production model the limits for full
aerobatic category are +6 and -3.
My understanding on the Citabria at +5 -2 I believe had something to
do with the wood spars. Also, the Citabria is licenced as a production
airplane with a Limited Aerobatic Category rating at +5 and -2. The
Decathlon has a FULL Aerobatic rating at 6/3.

So, was it changed at some time in the recent past?

I've never actually looked it up but the full details are probably in
FAR's 21 and/or 23.

I haven't had much to do with Citabria's for quite a while so my
information might need a bit of updating :-)

Me too. It's pretty obvious that it has always had limited aerobatic
capability. that;'s just the kind of airplane it is. But I don't
remember the G restriction on it. Maybe it's a concession due to the
spar AD.
Our's has wood spars, which I prefer anyway, but they're new and STC'd
with several mods provided by a guy in Oregon who has thickend them up
in both thickness and height. and they have improved, feathered, doubler
plates, so the psar issues should be no problem with this airplane. Also
there will be only three of us flying it so it shouldn't get any knocks
that we don;t know about.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

So, was it changed at some time in the recent past?

To my knowledge, the Citabria's certification hasn't changed since the
initial FAA certification tests.


Me too. It's pretty obvious that it has always had limited aerobatic
capability. that;'s just the kind of airplane it is. But I don't
remember the G restriction on it. Maybe it's a concession due to the
spar AD.

The g restriction actually IS the limited aerobatic cert. 6/3 is the
full category, and the Citabria is reduced to 5/2 which defines the
limited category.



Our's has wood spars, which I prefer anyway, but they're new and STC'd
with several mods provided by a guy in Oregon who has thickend them up
in both thickness and height. and they have improved, feathered, doubler
plates, so the psar issues should be no problem with this airplane. Also
there will be only three of us flying it so it shouldn't get any knocks
that we don;t know about.

Sounds like a good setup. Just tell everybody to get the nose well up
before rolling it and you'll keep the nose low rolling pullouts with
that added g under control :-))


Bertie


--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

So, was it changed at some time in the recent past?

To my knowledge, the Citabria's certification hasn't changed since the
initial FAA certification tests.


Yeah, looked it up. It was always +5 and -2.3 The Univair manuals I got
for it are copies of the originals and they say the same thing. It's
Airworthiness cert says it's licenced in the normal and aerobatic
category. It also gives load limits for a lighter operating weight whihc
are obviously higher, but still wel under 6G.
There's no mention in the old '75 manual I have about any kind of
limitations on the aerobatics, either. Strange. It's not like the FAA to
do things like that, in my experience.


Me too. It's pretty obvious that it has always had limited aerobatic
capability. that;'s just the kind of airplane it is. But I don't
remember the G restriction on it. Maybe it's a concession due to the
spar AD.

The g restriction actually IS the limited aerobatic cert. 6/3 is the
full category, and the Citabria is reduced to 5/2 which defines the
limited category.

OK, is this a recognised category? I've never come across it before.




Our's has wood spars, which I prefer anyway, but they're new and
STC'd with several mods provided by a guy in Oregon who has thickend
them up in both thickness and height. and they have improved,
feathered, doubler plates, so the psar issues should be no problem
with this airplane. Also there will be only three of us flying it so
it shouldn't get any knocks that we don;t know about.

Sounds like a good setup. Just tell everybody to get the nose well up
before rolling it and you'll keep the nose low rolling pullouts with
that added g under control :-))


Yes, the extra 16th inchches in thickness and and height adds up to a
substantial increase in mass. The feathered doublers aren't in the
original and together they should provide a substantial increase in the
safety margin.
The wing mounting brackets on the fuselage are amazingly light, though!
If I were welding something up to hold a potted plant I'd make somethign
heavier!

Bertie