Club insurance? Club utilization?

Mike Isaksen wrote:
"Robert Barker" ...

"Mike Isaksen" ...

"Robert Barker" wrote ...

We're currently with AVEMCO.... They impose a limit on
the # of members we can have per club airplane.

Do you recall the member count per airplane they set as a limit?


They had several levels with different rates at each level. We're
currently limited to 25 members per aircraft.


As another followup, 25 (flying and named on policy) members per airplane
would have seemed unmanageable 10 or 20 years ago. My club meetings turned
into tirates when we first considered going from 10 to 12 per plane. Now I'm
seeing member flying hours per year in the single digits, and a club almost
needs 20 members per just to keep operational hours on the planes above 250
per year.

What are you guys seeing as the recent numbers coming in from the clubs?
a. Recent and past "hours per member per year"?
b. Recent and past "hours per plane per year"?


Our club with 20 members and 1 IFR Warrior has dropped from 350 to 100
hours in just two years. Rates are $50 per hour +33 per montht, and
need to go up. We are considering going to 25 members. Avemco says rates
(now $3500 will go up 10% if we do, but not until next renewal.

"Mike Isaksen" wrote in message
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"Robert Barker" ...
"Mike Isaksen" ...

"Robert Barker" wrote ...
We're currently with AVEMCO.... They impose a limit on
the # of members we can have per club airplane.

Do you recall the member count per airplane they set as a limit?

They had several levels with different rates at each level. We're
currently limited to 25 members per aircraft.

As another followup, 25 (flying and named on policy) members per airplane
would have seemed unmanageable 10 or 20 years ago. My club meetings turned
into tirates when we first considered going from 10 to 12 per plane. Now
I'm seeing member flying hours per year in the single digits, and a club
almost needs 20 members per just to keep operational hours on the planes
above 250 per year.

What are you guys seeing as the recent numbers coming in from the clubs?
a. Recent and past "hours per member per year"?
b. Recent and past "hours per plane per year"?


We're a fairly new club. Of our 75 or so members, up to 25 of them are
primary students (myself included). That being the case, our 172s see 50hrs
or more per month. Our DA40 is only seeing 20 or so. It's kind of a catch
22. We'd like more members to warrant another aircraft but can't get
another aircraft without more meembers to pay for it. As a new club, we'd
rather not take the gamble just yet.

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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"BillJ" wrote in message
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says rates
(now $35000 will go up 10% if we do, but not until next renewal.

Is that a typo?



Based on what we're paying for our club, it's not a typo - hence our
shopping around...

On Mar 21, 8:43*pm, "Robert Barker" wrote:
Based on what we're paying for our club, it's not a typo - hence our
shopping around...

Shop around while you can. There are still deals to be had - though
usually only for clubs that have been around for a while and have an
attractive loss history.

The analysis I posted (call it rationalization if you like) was mostly
to give you an idea of what is already here for some people - and what
is coming across the board.

Michael