ATC

Jay,

This refers to the flight performance data (primarily, weight and balance)


Hmm. First I heard that explanation.

I would have thought they were referring to the ATIS as "the numbers" (not
"their"). It's quite common in the US to say "We've got the numbers" or "do
you have the numbers" when in ICAO English it should be "Information Quebec
(or whatever) received". But luckily, every holder of a US certificate is
ICAO English proficient by FAA definition.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On 2008-03-28, Thomas Borchert wrote:
This refers to the flight performance data (primarily, weight and balance)
I would have thought they were referring to the ATIS as "the numbers" (not
"their").

Thats why I was careful to see what the original query was. The ATIS doesn't
count as "their numbers"; the weight and balance info does.

FWIW, I was always taught to indicate I had the ATIS with, for example,
"Ellington Tower, Zodiac five five Zulu Charlie, inbound from the southeast
for landing with Foxtrot." "I have the numbers" is not sufficiently precise:
it doesn't tell them *which* numbers you have, and if the ATIS changes, they
need to know if you got the right ones.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

AIM 3-9-1, Jay.

Bob Gardner

"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
...
On 2008-03-28, Thomas Borchert wrote:
This refers to the flight performance data (primarily, weight and
balance)
I would have thought they were referring to the ATIS as "the numbers"
(not
"their").

Thats why I was careful to see what the original query was. The ATIS
doesn't
count as "their numbers"; the weight and balance info does.

FWIW, I was always taught to indicate I had the ATIS with, for example,
"Ellington Tower, Zodiac five five Zulu Charlie, inbound from the
southeast
for landing with Foxtrot." "I have the numbers" is not sufficiently
precise:
it doesn't tell them *which* numbers you have, and if the ATIS changes,
they
need to know if you got the right ones.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

How about the Air Traffic Control Handbook instead of the AIM:

3-9-1. DEPARTURE INFORMATION
Provide current departure information, as appropriate, to departing
aircraft.
a. Departure information contained in the ATIS broadcast may be omitted if
the pilot states the appropriate ATIS code.
b. Issue departure information by including the following:
1. Runway in use. (May be omitted if pilot states "have the numbers.")
2. Surface wind from direct readout dial, wind shear detection system, or
automated weather observing system information display. (May be omitted if
pilot states "have the numbers.")
3. Altimeter setting. (May be omitted if pilot states "have the numbers.")

Bob Gardner


"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
...
AIM 3-9-1, Jay.

Bob Gardner

"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
...
On 2008-03-28, Thomas Borchert wrote:
This refers to the flight performance data (primarily, weight and
balance)
I would have thought they were referring to the ATIS as "the numbers"
(not
"their").

Thats why I was careful to see what the original query was. The ATIS
doesn't
count as "their numbers"; the weight and balance info does.

FWIW, I was always taught to indicate I had the ATIS with, for example,
"Ellington Tower, Zodiac five five Zulu Charlie, inbound from the
southeast
for landing with Foxtrot." "I have the numbers" is not sufficiently
precise:
it doesn't tell them *which* numbers you have, and if the ATIS changes,
they
need to know if you got the right ones.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

On 2008-03-28, Bob Gardner wrote:
How about the Air Traffic Control Handbook instead of the AIM:

3-9-1. DEPARTURE INFORMATION
Provide current departure information, as appropriate, to departing
aircraft.
a. Departure information contained in the ATIS broadcast may be omitted if
the pilot states the appropriate ATIS code.
b. Issue departure information by including the following:
1. Runway in use. (May be omitted if pilot states "have the numbers.")
2. Surface wind from direct readout dial, wind shear detection system, or
automated weather observing system information display. (May be omitted if
pilot states "have the numbers.")
3. Altimeter setting. (May be omitted if pilot states "have the numbers.")

I was wondering what you were referring to, since there's no 3-9-1 in the
AIM, nor anything relevant anywhere close...

It's interesting to see this quote, though; it expands upon what's in AIM
4-1-13, especially paragraph h.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

Jay,

The ATIS doesn't
count as "their numbers"; the weight and balance info does.

True enough.

FWIW, I was always taught to indicate I had the ATIS with, for example,
"Ellington Tower, Zodiac five five Zulu Charlie, inbound from the southeast
for landing with Foxtrot." "I have the numbers" is not sufficiently precise:
it doesn't tell them *which* numbers you have, and if the ATIS changes, they
need to know if you got the right ones.

Agreed.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)