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Old May 16th 08, 10:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Tina
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Let's not overlook, as Dudley has mentioned, how the pressures needed
on the yoke, and yoke deflections, change with airspeed. These are the
things pilots know, and something the computer based sims I have flown
do not replicate. It is anothr sensation light airplane pilots use
automatically, and not available on most sims.

One needs experience in both realms to be able to compare them. It's a
given many pilots here have flown(?) sims so their observations have
some validity. Maybe the non pilots got wise staying in a Holiday Inn
Express last night.
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Old May 16th 08, 11:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Tina writes:

Let's not overlook, as Dudley has mentioned, how the pressures needed
on the yoke, and yoke deflections, change with airspeed. These are the
things pilots know, and something the computer based sims I have flown
do not replicate. It is anothr sensation light airplane pilots use
automatically, and not available on most sims.


It seems almost self-evident. Why make such a big deal of it?

One needs experience in both realms to be able to compare them. It's a
given many pilots here have flown(?) sims so their observations have
some validity.


From the way some of them talk, it doesn't sound like they've done any recent
or serious simming.
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Old May 17th 08, 04:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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From the way some of them talk, it doesn't sound like they've done any
recent
or serious simming.


That's because almost nobody (yourself included) takes simming seriously.
Otherwise, your recent tragic crash would have involved more than
"half-hearted attempts to recover control".



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Old May 17th 08, 06:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Steve Foley writes:

That's because almost nobody (yourself included) takes simming seriously.


A lot of people do, including many real-world pilots--at least those with open
minds. There is much to be gained from simulation.

Otherwise, your recent tragic crash would have involved more than
"half-hearted attempts to recover control".


That was a one-purpose experiment, not a regular flight.
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Old May 17th 08, 06:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dudley Henriques[_2_]
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Steve Foley writes:

That's because almost nobody (yourself included) takes simming seriously.


A lot of people do, including many real-world pilots--at least those with open
minds. There is much to be gained from simulation.


I have enjoyed tremendously both my work on MSFS with both Microsoft and
other designers in the sim community. I find the program has many
educational and practical uses in the real world of aviation if used
properly by creative instructors.
In addition to the practical side of the sim , I have also been
fortunate in that some of the finest designers connected with MSFS have
created exact virtual replications for me of several aircraft I have
flown and been involved with personally during my career and I have
these aircraft appearing exactly as they existed and looked in real life
even to their tail numbers in the sim to enjoy, allowing both my family
and friends to experience a bit of my tenure in aviation.

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Old May 17th 08, 08:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Dudley Henriques writes:

In addition to the practical side of the sim , I have also been
fortunate in that some of the finest designers connected with MSFS have
created exact virtual replications for me of several aircraft I have
flown and been involved with personally during my career and I have
these aircraft appearing exactly as they existed and looked in real life
even to their tail numbers in the sim to enjoy, allowing both my family
and friends to experience a bit of my tenure in aviation.


I looked at some of the companies you recommended and their aircraft seem very
cool, even though I'm not a big warbird fan. I'm always on the lookout for
companies that produce top-quality, ultrarealistic add-ons.
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Old May 17th 08, 08:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Dudley Henriques writes:

In addition to the practical side of the sim , I have also been
fortunate in that some of the finest designers connected with MSFS
have created exact virtual replications for me of several aircraft I
have flown and been involved with personally during my career and I
have these aircraft appearing exactly as they existed and looked in
real life even to their tail numbers in the sim to enjoy, allowing
both my family and friends to experience a bit of my tenure in
aviation.


I looked at some of the companies you recommended and their aircraft
seem very cool, even though I'm not a big warbird fan. I'm always on
the lookout for companies that produce top-quality, ultrarealistic
add-ons.


So you can rip them off by downloading them without paying for them.


Bertie
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Old May 17th 08, 09:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dudley Henriques[_2_]
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes:

In addition to the practical side of the sim , I have also been
fortunate in that some of the finest designers connected with MSFS have
created exact virtual replications for me of several aircraft I have
flown and been involved with personally during my career and I have
these aircraft appearing exactly as they existed and looked in real life
even to their tail numbers in the sim to enjoy, allowing both my family
and friends to experience a bit of my tenure in aviation.


I looked at some of the companies you recommended and their aircraft seem very
cool, even though I'm not a big warbird fan. I'm always on the lookout for
companies that produce top-quality, ultrarealistic add-ons.


Something you might be interested in if realism is your thing is a
museum quality freeware project I'm working on now with a combined team
of some of the best designers, graphics people, and flight model
developers in the world.
When finished in the next few months, this aircraft will be as close to
being an exact replication graphics, performance, and systems wise, of a
North American F86E/F Sabre as has ever been developed for Microsoft
flight simulator.
This project is so real, and the depth of fidelity so deep and authentic
that I wouldn't hesitate to use it in acclimating a prospective pilot
doing a checkout in the F86.
Even if you are not into Warbirds, this add on will be well worth having.
You might try it. I think you'll like this one.
I'll be reviewing it for Simflight as it comes on line. I'll post
something on the Usenet sim forum and let you know when it's available.

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Dudley Henriques
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Old May 18th 08, 01:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Maynard
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On 2008-05-17, Dudley Henriques wrote:
In addition to the practical side of the sim , I have also been
fortunate in that some of the finest designers connected with MSFS have
created exact virtual replications for me of several aircraft I have
flown and been involved with personally during my career and I have
these aircraft appearing exactly as they existed and looked in real life
even to their tail numbers in the sim to enjoy, allowing both my family
and friends to experience a bit of my tenure in aviation.


Who does this kind of work? If it's not too expensive, I wouldn't mind
having a MSFS replica of N55ZC.
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Old May 18th 08, 01:42 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dudley Henriques[_2_]
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Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-05-17, Dudley Henriques wrote:
In addition to the practical side of the sim , I have also been
fortunate in that some of the finest designers connected with MSFS have
created exact virtual replications for me of several aircraft I have
flown and been involved with personally during my career and I have
these aircraft appearing exactly as they existed and looked in real life
even to their tail numbers in the sim to enjoy, allowing both my family
and friends to experience a bit of my tenure in aviation.


Who does this kind of work? If it's not too expensive, I wouldn't mind
having a MSFS replica of N55ZC.


I don't think these folks do it for money. These were done as special
favors for me by devs I worked with on their various projects. I never
charge these folks, and they have always been very appreciative of the
work I've done for them.
You might contact some of them via email and ask them. It wouldn't do
any harm I'm sure.


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Dudley Henriques
 




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