Outside reference in IMC

On Tue, 20 May 2008 15:43:10 -0400, "Bob F."
wrote:

You do not have IFR rating, you have an Instrument rating.

Usually not, but I have heard people say "I did my IFR with Krusty",
or, "He's working on his IFR", using it as a capability, similar to
"IFR" next to a rentable aircraft.

I know it isn't "right", but I do hear it. G

If you have, or intend to have an instructor rating you need to keep these
things straight. I find myself falling back every once in a while myself so
you have to keep questioning your (own) vocabulary.

For example: It's an attitude indicator, not and artificial horizon. It's
a heading indicator, not a directional gyro. If I catch a student using
terms incorrectly, I'll ask a question about it, for example, if he says he
wants to rent an IFR certified aircraft, I ask "How do you get an aircraft
certified 'IFR'?" The discussion helps remember the proper phrase from
then on.

' "IFR" next to a rentable aircraft." might be ok, implying the aircraft is
equipped, current and ready for IFR flight.

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Regards, BobF.
"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 May 2008 15:43:10 -0400, "Bob F."
wrote:

You do not have IFR rating, you have an Instrument rating.

Usually not, but I have heard people say "I did my IFR with Krusty",
or, "He's working on his IFR", using it as a capability, similar to
"IFR" next to a rentable aircraft.

I know it isn't "right", but I do hear it. G

Bob F. wrote:

For example: It's an attitude indicator, not and artificial horizon.
It's a heading indicator, not a directional gyro.

When and why did the nomenclature on those get changed. I learned to fly
in the late 70's and flew during the early 80's a bunch then laid off
for quite a while and got my helo rating in the mid 90's.

It seemed to have happened sometime before '95 but the helo instructor I
had didn't seem to mind when I called the heading indicator a
directional gyro and there wasn't an attitude indicator in the R22 so it
never came up.

I'll be honest it wasn't until I started building in 2002 that I
realized that everyone was calling them the new names and decided that I
would too.

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:

When and why did the nomenclature on those get changed. I learned to fly
in the late 70's and flew during the early 80's a bunch then laid off
for quite a while and got my helo rating in the mid 90's.

I'll be honest it wasn't until I started building in 2002 that I
realized that everyone was calling them the new names and decided that I
would too.

I dunno. The x-thousand-hour old-timers around the FBO still refer to
it as the "DG" and I'm not going to pull an Anthony and correct them
every time they do. Nor am I going to discount their wisdom or flight
training.

In any case, the Airplane Flying Handbook glossary has no entry for
Directional Gyro, but under Heading Indicator it says "also called a
directional gyro."

For Attitude Indicator it says "An instrument which uses an artificial
horizon and a miniature airplane..." That makes more sense; the AH is
just a component of a bigger system, so it's kind of like hearing
end-users refer to their "CPU", which also started a few years ago.

-c
"His momma call him Cassius, I call him Cassius." -Eddie Murphy

On May 20, 4:35 pm, gatt wrote:
Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
When and why did the nomenclature on those get changed. I learned to fly
in the late 70's and flew during the early 80's a bunch then laid off
for quite a while and got my helo rating in the mid 90's.
I'll be honest it wasn't until I started building in 2002 that I
realized that everyone was calling them the new names and decided that I
would too.

I dunno. The x-thousand-hour old-timers around the FBO still refer to
it as the "DG" and I'm not going to pull an Anthony and correct them
every time they do. Nor am I going to discount their wisdom or flight
training.

It changed sometime in the '80s. Some bureaucrat decided that
everything on the panel had to be an "indicator" of some sort.

Dan