CFI oral intel

On May 29, 7:21*am, gatt wrote:
One of the folks around the hangar took his CFI practical last week. *He
had his AGI so they threw out all of the Fundamentals of Instruction
stuff entirely during the oral.

Huh, that's not right. There is nothing in the PTS that says you get
to skip the FOI stuff just because you have an AGI. The only thing you
get to skip is showing your FOI exam results. I had my AGI and
probably spent 5 hours of my CFI oral on FOI stuff.

-Robert, CFII, AGI

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On May 29, 7:21 am, gatt wrote:
One of the folks around the hangar took his CFI practical last week. He
had his AGI so they threw out all of the Fundamentals of Instruction
stuff entirely during the oral.

Huh, that's not right. There is nothing in the PTS that says you get
to skip the FOI stuff just because you have an AGI. The only thing you
get to skip is showing your FOI exam results. I had my AGI and
probably spent 5 hours of my CFI oral on FOI stuff.

-Robert, CFII, AGI

FOI is my hangup right now....

NW_Pilot wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On May 29, 7:21 am, gatt wrote:
One of the folks around the hangar took his CFI practical last week. He
had his AGI so they threw out all of the Fundamentals of Instruction
stuff entirely during the oral.

Huh, that's not right. There is nothing in the PTS that says you get
to skip the FOI stuff just because you have an AGI. The only thing you
get to skip is showing your FOI exam results. I had my AGI and
probably spent 5 hours of my CFI oral on FOI stuff.

-Robert, CFII, AGI

FOI is my hangup right now....



Different rating same sort of issue.

When I was doing my check ride for my helo rating the tester started to
ask me a question on navigation and stopped about 5 words in and said,
"Never mind, you already have you private rating I don't need to cover
that."

On May 29, 9:54*am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Huh, that's not right. There is nothing in the PTS that says you get
to skip the FOI stuff just because you have an AGI. The only thing you
get to skip is showing your FOI exam results. I had my AGI and
probably spent 5 hours of my CFI oral on FOI stuff.

Is there anything in the PTS that says you have to be retested on
previously completed material ? If you spent 5 hours on an oral your
examiner was either an idiot or he/she wanted to show you how much he/
she knew. I would have walked out if I were you. For an examiner to be
able determine if you are prepared should take minutes, not hours.

F Baum

-Robert, CFII, AGI

A question the examiner asked him: "You're flying cross-country and
trimmed at 110 knots. You die, and the engine quits. At what airspeed
will the aircraft strike the ground?"

So if you flip the order of events: "the engine quits, and you die" my
guess would be best glide. First step in engine failure... although
kinda pointless if you know you are dead in the next 10 seconds. Also
setting the airspeed might be a race with death?

On May 30, 9:00*am, "F. Baum" wrote:

Is there anything in the PTS that says you have to be retested on
previously completed material ? If you spent 5 hours on an oral your
examiner was either an idiot or he/she wanted to show you how much he/
she knew. I would have walked out if I were you. For an examiner to be
able determine if you are prepared should take minutes, not hours.

I don't think a 5 hour oral is odd at all for the CFI exam. I know
some PI/DE's schedule a full day for the oral and another day for
flying. Do you really know any initial CFI oral that lasted minutes?

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On May 30, 9:00 am, "F. Baum" wrote:

I don't think a 5 hour oral is odd at all for the CFI exam. I know
some PI/DE's schedule a full day for the oral and another day for
flying. Do you really know any initial CFI oral that lasted minutes?

Mine was something less than two hours. The whole thing was probably half a
day, but that included the paperwork. (Mine was unusual in that it was with a
designee.)

Vaughn

Vaughn Simon wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On May 30, 9:00 am, "F. Baum" wrote:

I don't think a 5 hour oral is odd at all for the CFI exam. I know
some PI/DE's schedule a full day for the oral and another day for
flying. Do you really know any initial CFI oral that lasted minutes?

Mine was something less than two hours. The whole thing was probably half a
day, but that included the paperwork. (Mine was unusual in that it was with a
designee.)

Vaughn


Mine was about two hours for the oral.

--
Dudley Henriques

On May 30, 9:00*am, "F. Baum" wrote:
On May 29, 9:54*am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:



Huh, that's not right. There is nothing in the PTS that says you get
to skip the FOI stuff just because you have an AGI. The only thing you
get to skip is showing your FOI exam results. I had my AGI and
probably spent 5 hours of my CFI oral on FOI stuff.

Is there anything in the PTS that says you have to be retested on
previously completed material ?

Yes, the PTS says you have to cover FOI during the oral even if you
have the AGI certificate. Actually the PTS does not allow you to skip
*any* part of the initial CFI practical test just because you have the
AGI.
Remember, there is no practical for the AGI, you just walk into the
FSDO (after making an appointment, going through security, signing in,
swearing you're not a terrorist) and show them your AGI and FOI exams.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in news:36ec67fe-ff3e-4978-a0ef-
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On May 30, 9:00*am, "F. Baum" wrote:
On May 29, 9:54*am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:



Huh, that's not right. There is nothing in the PTS that says you get
to skip the FOI stuff just because you have an AGI. The only thing you
get to skip is showing your FOI exam results. I had my AGI and
probably spent 5 hours of my CFI oral on FOI stuff.

Is there anything in the PTS that says you have to be retested on
previously completed material ?

Yes, the PTS says you have to cover FOI during the oral even if you
have the AGI certificate. Actually the PTS does not allow you to skip
*any* part of the initial CFI practical test just because you have the
AGI.
Remember, there is no practical for the AGI, you just walk into the
FSDO (after making an appointment, going through security, signing in,
swearing you're not a terrorist) and show them your AGI and FOI exams.

-Robert

I'm renewing mine next week . He's not going to ask me what all those
acronyms mena is he?


Bertie