Mechanics of Elevator Trim. In Detail.

On Jun 8, 5:40 pm, terry wrote:
On Jun 8, 3:08 pm, Le Chaud Lapin wrote:



Hi All,

This post is primarily directed toward student pilots like myself.

First, I am not asking because I want to know the answer (I already
know), but do a little experiment. I have maybe 7 or 8 different
sources of flight information that I rely on for ground school
(Jeppesen, FAA Handbooks, etc), and none of them said _how_ it worked
in sufficient detail, they only said what one must do to make the
plane pitch up or downard.

So for you students, please do not cheat and do what I did, which is
watch the airfoils move as you move the trim control. Also, it would
help if you did not think about the correct answer too much, which
would lead you to the correct answer, thereby defeating the purpose of
my experiment.

So, without cheating, and without asking an experienced pilot or
mechanic,...

What exactly happens when the trim is adjusted to point the nose
upward?

The more specific your answer about the mechanics on airfoil outside
the plane, the better.

And remember, no cheating!

Also, for experienced pilots that know the answer, please do not ruin
it by telling everyone before any answers have been given, though if
you are not certain of the answer and would like to speculate, that's
fine.

Are you sure you are not Mxsmanic? You are asking a question and you
dont want anybody who knows the answer to reply. In other words you
want people to answer incorrectly so you can correct them, correct?
Only difference between that and Mxsmanic is that he will correct you
whether you are right or wrong.
I trust you will only correct those that are really incorrect,
correct?
So Le Chaud, have you actually started your flying training yet?
congratulations if you have and I look forward to hearing how it is
going.
Terry
PPL Downunder

Terry, it might have been a few months ago that someone using this
username was going to use his engineering degree to design a superior
g a airplane. He did promise progress reports.

I am afraid he may be a fraud.

All who are surprised please raise their hands.

No hands? I'd say that makes him an unsuccessful fraud.

On Jun 9, 8:31*am, Tina wrote:
On Jun 8, 5:40 pm, terry wrote:





On Jun 8, 3:08 pm, Le Chaud Lapin wrote:

Hi All,

This post is primarily directed toward student pilots like myself.

First, I am not asking because I want to know the answer (I already
know), but do a little experiment. *I have maybe 7 or 8 different
sources of flight information that I rely on for ground school
(Jeppesen, FAA Handbooks, etc), and none of them said _how_ it worked
in sufficient detail, they only said what one must do to make the
plane pitch up or downard.

So for you students, please do not cheat and do what I did, which is
watch the airfoils move as you move the trim control. *Also, it would
help if you did not think about the correct answer too much, which
would lead you to the correct answer, thereby defeating the purpose of
my experiment.

So, without cheating, and without asking an experienced pilot or
mechanic,...

What exactly happens when the trim is adjusted to point the nose
upward?

The more specific your answer about the mechanics on airfoil outside
the plane, the better.

And remember, no cheating!

Also, for experienced pilots that know the answer, please do not ruin
it by telling everyone before any answers have been given, though if
you are not certain of the answer and would like to speculate, that's
fine.

Are you sure you are not Mxsmanic? *You are asking a question and you
dont want anybody who knows the answer to reply. *In other words you
want people to answer incorrectly so you can correct them, correct?
Only difference between that and *Mxsmanic is that he will correct you
whether you are right or wrong.
I trust you will only correct those that are really incorrect,
correct?
So Le Chaud, have you actually started your flying training yet?
congratulations if you have and I look forward to hearing how it is
going.
Terry
PPL Downunder

Terry, it might have been a few months ago that someone using this
username was going to use his engineering degree to design a superior
g a airplane. He did promise progress reports.

I am afraid he may be a fraud.

That would be a Le Fraud, but I am prepared to give him the benefit
of the doubt.
Tina, are you joining the mass exodus to pilots of america? they seem
to be a pretty friendly bunch, even welcoming an alien like me.
Terry
PPL Downunder

Tina, are you joining the mass exodus to pilots of america? they seem
to be a pretty friendly bunch, even welcoming an alien like me.
Terry
PPL Downunder

I have joined there with the unimaginative user name tina201, but have
not found my way around the site yet. I have yet to find the room that
has the same wide range of topics as this site does, but absent what
we shrinks call '****ing contests' (sorry for the technical language).
I fully admit I have not yet done more than join the site.

On Jun 8, 5:31*pm, Tina wrote:
On Jun 8, 5:40 pm, terry wrote:





On Jun 8, 3:08 pm, Le Chaud Lapin wrote:

Hi All,

This post is primarily directed toward student pilots like myself.

First, I am not asking because I want to know the answer (I already
know), but do a little experiment. *I have maybe 7 or 8 different
sources of flight information that I rely on for ground school
(Jeppesen, FAA Handbooks, etc), and none of them said _how_ it worked
in sufficient detail, they only said what one must do to make the
plane pitch up or downard.

So for you students, please do not cheat and do what I did, which is
watch the airfoils move as you move the trim control. *Also, it would
help if you did not think about the correct answer too much, which
would lead you to the correct answer, thereby defeating the purpose of
my experiment.

So, without cheating, and without asking an experienced pilot or
mechanic,...

What exactly happens when the trim is adjusted to point the nose
upward?

The more specific your answer about the mechanics on airfoil outside
the plane, the better.

And remember, no cheating!

Also, for experienced pilots that know the answer, please do not ruin
it by telling everyone before any answers have been given, though if
you are not certain of the answer and would like to speculate, that's
fine.

Are you sure you are not Mxsmanic? *You are asking a question and you
dont want anybody who knows the answer to reply. *In other words you
want people to answer incorrectly so you can correct them, correct?
Only difference between that and *Mxsmanic is that he will correct you
whether you are right or wrong.
I trust you will only correct those that are really incorrect,
correct?
So Le Chaud, have you actually started your flying training yet?
congratulations if you have and I look forward to hearing how it is
going.
Terry
PPL Downunder

Terry, it might have been a few months ago that someone using this
username was going to use his engineering degree to design a superior
g a airplane. He did promise progress reports.

I am afraid he may be a fraud.

All who are surprised please raise their hands.

No hands? I'd say that makes him an unsuccessful fraud.- Hide quoted text -

Spent 30 minutes at pool yesterday discussing with professional
metalworkers best way to weld a complex joint for important element of
prototype of what would be considered a wing.

Such things take time, and still, I do not know if it will work.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

Le Chaud Lapin wrote in
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On Jun 8, 5:31*pm, Tina wrote:
On Jun 8, 5:40 pm, terry wrote:





On Jun 8, 3:08 pm, Le Chaud Lapin wrote:

Hi All,

This post is primarily directed toward student pilots like
myself.

First, I am not asking because I want to know the answer (I
already know), but do a little experiment. *I have maybe 7 or 8
different sources of flight information that I rely on for ground
school (Jeppesen, FAA Handbooks, etc), and none of them said
_how_ it worked in sufficient detail, they only said what one
must do to make the plane pitch up or downard.

So for you students, please do not cheat and do what I did, which
is watch the airfoils move as you move the trim control. *Also,
it woul
d
help if you did not think about the correct answer too much,
which would lead you to the correct answer, thereby defeating the
purpose of

my experiment.

So, without cheating, and without asking an experienced pilot or
mechanic,...

What exactly happens when the trim is adjusted to point the nose
upward?

The more specific your answer about the mechanics on airfoil
outside the plane, the better.

And remember, no cheating!

Also, for experienced pilots that know the answer, please do not
ruin it by telling everyone before any answers have been given,
though if you are not certain of the answer and would like to
speculate, that's fine.

Are you sure you are not Mxsmanic? *You are asking a question and
you dont want anybody who knows the answer to reply. *In other
words you want people to answer incorrectly so you can correct
them, correct? Only difference between that and *Mxsmanic is that
he will correct you

whether you are right or wrong.
I trust you will only correct those that are really incorrect,
correct?
So Le Chaud, have you actually started your flying training yet?
congratulations if you have and I look forward to hearing how it is
going.
Terry
PPL Downunder

Terry, it might have been a few months ago that someone using this
username was going to use his engineering degree to design a superior
g a airplane. He did promise progress reports.

I am afraid he may be a fraud.

All who are surprised please raise their hands.

No hands? I'd say that makes him an unsuccessful fraud.- Hide quoted
text
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Spent 30 minutes at pool yesterday discussing with professional
metalworkers best way to weld a complex joint for important element of
prototype of what would be considered a wing.

Such things take time, and still, I do not know if it will work.

If there's anyone williing to take a bet....


Bertie

Le Chaud Lapin wrote wrote:


Spent 30 minutes at pool yesterday discussing with professional
metalworkers best way to weld a complex joint for important element of
prototype of what would be considered a wing.

Such things take time, and still, I do not know if it will work.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

to which I would point out that in 2008 most engineers when
considering structures operating at general aviation speeds and
stresses would be thinking of composites and molding complex shapes,
not in terms of bending metal and welded joining.

On Jun 9, 12:34*am, Tina wrote:
Le Chaud Lapin wrote wrote:



Spent 30 minutes at pool yesterday discussing with professional
metalworkers best way to weld a complex joint for important element of
prototype of what would be considered a wing.

Such things take time, and still, I do not know if it will work.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

to which I would point out that in 2008 most engineers when
considering structures operating at general aviation speeds and
stresses would be thinking of composites and molding complex shapes,
not in terms of bending metal and welded joining.

This presumes that you know what the welds are for, which would be
difficult, as the welders themselves do not even know at this point.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

Le Chaud Lapin wrote in news:a685e391-2f45-4a75-
:

On Jun 9, 12:34*am, Tina wrote:
Le Chaud Lapin wrote wrote:



Spent 30 minutes at pool yesterday discussing with professional
metalworkers best way to weld a complex joint for important element of
prototype of what would be considered a wing.

Such things take time, and still, I do not know if it will work.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

to which I would point out that in 2008 most engineers when
considering structures operating at general aviation speeds and
stresses would be thinking of composites and molding complex shapes,
not in terms of bending metal and welded joining.

This presumes that you know what the welds are for, which would be
difficult, as the welders themselves do not even know at this point.



And neither do you.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Le Chaud Lapin wrote in news:a685e391-2f45-4a75-
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On Jun 9, 12:34 am, Tina wrote:
Le Chaud Lapin wrote wrote:



Spent 30 minutes at pool yesterday discussing with professional
metalworkers best way to weld a complex joint for important element of
prototype of what would be considered a wing.

Such things take time, and still, I do not know if it will work.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

to which I would point out that in 2008 most engineers when
considering structures operating at general aviation speeds and
stresses would be thinking of composites and molding complex shapes,
not in terms of bending metal and welded joining.

This presumes that you know what the welds are for, which would be
difficult, as the welders themselves do not even know at this point.



And neither do you.


Bertie

And obviously, neither do you.

Little slow over on RAP this morning, Mr. Needsalife?

"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Le Chaud Lapin wrote in
news:a685e391-2f45-4a75-
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On Jun 9, 12:34 am, Tina wrote:
Le Chaud Lapin wrote wrote:



Spent 30 minutes at pool yesterday discussing with professional
metalworkers best way to weld a complex joint for important
element of prototype of what would be considered a wing.

Such things take time, and still, I do not know if it will work.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

to which I would point out that in 2008 most engineers when
considering structures operating at general aviation speeds and
stresses would be thinking of composites and molding complex
shapes, not in terms of bending metal and welded joining.

This presumes that you know what the welds are for, which would be
difficult, as the welders themselves do not even know at this point.



And neither do you.


Bertie

And obviously, neither do you.


So enlighten us, fjukktard.


Little slow over on RAP this morning, Mr. Needsalife?


Nope.

Bertie