Region 1 Sugarbush Updates??

On Jun 18, 8:32*am, Mike the Strike wrote:
On Jun 18, 5:02 am, Tim Hanke wrote:

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...e?AID=20088061....

Two sailplanes forced down in Warren, Vermont
Pilot Rick Roelke of Bedford, N.H., looks at his sailplane in
Blueberry Lake in Warren after landed short of Sugarbush Warren
Airport on Tuesday. He and pilot John Dezzuitti of Lakeside, Conn.,
were competing in a week-long soaring competition when both pilots
landed short of the runway when heavy rain and downdrafts hit their
aircrafts. Both pilots were unhurt, but while Roelke was able to
retrieve his glider undamaged, Dezzuitti's plane was estimated by him
as a total loss.

"Short of the runway" seems to be a bit of an understatement!

Mike

Where is the lake in reference to the gliderport? Want to look with
Google Earth.

On Jun 18, 1:35 pm, Fred wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:32 am, Mike the Strike wrote:



On Jun 18, 5:02 am, Tim Hanke wrote:

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...e?AID=20088061...

Two sailplanes forced down in Warren, Vermont
Pilot Rick Roelke of Bedford, N.H., looks at his sailplane in
Blueberry Lake in Warren after landed short of Sugarbush Warren
Airport on Tuesday. He and pilot John Dezzuitti of Lakeside, Conn.,
were competing in a week-long soaring competition when both pilots
landed short of the runway when heavy rain and downdrafts hit their
aircrafts. Both pilots were unhurt, but while Roelke was able to
retrieve his glider undamaged, Dezzuitti's plane was estimated by him
as a total loss.

"Short of the runway" seems to be a bit of an understatement!

Mike

Where is the lake in reference to the gliderport? Want to look with
Google Earth.

south-east maybe 1.5 mile IIRC.
In any case its the closest lake to the airport (and not real big)...

On Jun 18, 1:35 pm, Fred wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:32 am, Mike the Strike wrote:



On Jun 18, 5:02 am, Tim Hanke wrote:

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...e?AID=20088061...

Two sailplanes forced down in Warren, Vermont
Pilot Rick Roelke of Bedford, N.H., looks at his sailplane in
Blueberry Lake in Warren after landed short of Sugarbush Warren
Airport on Tuesday. He and pilot John Dezzuitti of Lakeside, Conn.,
were competing in a week-long soaring competition when both pilots
landed short of the runway when heavy rain and downdrafts hit their
aircrafts. Both pilots were unhurt, but while Roelke was able to
retrieve his glider undamaged, Dezzuitti's plane was estimated by him
as a total loss.

"Short of the runway" seems to be a bit of an understatement!

Mike

Where is the lake in reference to the gliderport? Want to look with
Google Earth.

Airport at top, lake at bottom of this image:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...=14&iwloc=addr

Fred wrote:
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...e?AID=20088061...

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Mike

Where is the lake in reference to the gliderport? Want to look with
Google Earth.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/0B7

Looks like ~2.5sm South of the airport.
Also looks like the guy in the water was shooting for Blueberry Lake Rd on a
northern peninsula jutting into the lake.

Bummer.

Glad everyone's alive tho'

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Also looks like the guy in the water was shooting for Blueberry Lake Rd on a
northern peninsula jutting into the lake.

That was the original plan, . But the little spit was so short, and
it would have been down wind that I opted for a safe landing on the
water into the wind. Later walking that ramp there were large
boulders behind the tall grass to keep cars from using it. An
overshoot would have been very bad.

It all worked out fine after a big splash, and did it mostly correct
(no flaps, no spoilers, gear down, but I forgot to close the vent).
After it was over the glider was floating well (as I had be briefed it
would) and I got out and swam it to the nearest downwind shore.
Secured it so it would not sink, and walked up this little path to
assess my situation. I was rather dismayed when I found I had towed
it to an island!!!

Very quickly contest personnel arrived at the far shore after a radio
call from another pilot who had seen the landing. But I explained
that I was fine, and they needed to look for John in the trees. We
finally got the glider to shore with inner tubes under the wings and
tail boom. I don’t have an electronic copy of that yet, but that is a
funny picture…

The only damage to the ship was a bent gear door. The radio was not
working after the landing but all other electronics were. After a
night at 30,000 ft in a barograph calibration vacuum chamber it was
working fine the next morning. I flew the ship by 5:00 the next
day.

While I don’t recommend practicing this (the retrieves are a bitch) it
turned out to be a good option in a bad situation…

BTW it was decided that there can only be one Admiral (Nixon) so I
have been dubbed Commodore…

RR
Commodore, Bota Blanca Yacht Club

RR....turning this event into a learning tool....why was it best to
leave the gear down? You point it out with conviction, there must be a
good reason. Also, about how far did you slide,plow,then cruise thru
the water before all ahead stop?
R

wrote:
RR....turning this event into a learning tool....why was it best to
leave the gear down?
I have read IIRC (asw-24 or 27 POH) that the clean, curved belly creates an
immediate low-pressure water flow which can cause a severe "submarine" effect.

The gear breaks up that flow.

If memory serves again, back in the 80's Travelers Insurance was filming a
commercial that included a glider.
The idea at the time was to film a sailplane skimming just inches over a
still lake.
One pilot skimmed a little too low and made contact with the water. The
resulting low pressure tore a strip of the fuselage off just beneath the
pilot.
A later effort with another pilot and plane proved successful and the
commercial aired for a while.
It was kinda cool.

We are so relieved you guys are O K.

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On Jun 20, 10:14*am, " wrote:
RR....turning this event into a learning tool....why was it best to
leave the gear down? You point it out with conviction, there must be a
good reason. Also, about how far did you slide,plow,then cruise thru
the water before all ahead stop?
R

I had seen a briefing at a US teem XC Camp at Perry. The briefing was
originally prepared for the contestants at the worlds in Sweden. The
procedure was gear down to avoid the suction that the belly will
cause. If you dangle a spoon by its handle and gently touch the
bottom of the spoon to water flowing from a faucet (this works even
better in an un-aerated faucet) you will see the effect the spoon will
jump towards the faucet.

Having the gear down I think will also slow you down using a part of
the structure that is designed for high drag loads.

Spoilers out are bad, they can’t take the load, I had neutral flaps
but the briefing described landing flaps, but not dive breaks.

The other thing the briefing noted was don’t worry it will float. And
indeed it did. I don’t think it would stay up all day, but for quite
a while. It was a rapid deceleration but not “impact” like. As to
whether I went under, I don’t know as I got a face full of water as I
hit (I forgot to close the vent) but when I opened my eyes I was high
and moist…

I believe we are putting up the briefing on the web and when it gets
there we will post a link.

As well as it went, don’t try this at home…

Commodore

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:26:31 -0700, av8 wrote:

Having the gear down I think will also slow you down using a part of
the structure that is designed for high drag loads.

A NZ briefing note I saw a year or two ago mentioned that it is good to
have the wheel brake on because that improves the tyre's aquaplaning
capability. This lets the glider reach a lower speed before the wheel
finally sinks into the water.


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On Jun 21, 3:11 pm, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:26:31 -0700, av8 wrote:
Having the gear down I think will also slow you down using a part of
the structure that is designed for high drag loads.

A NZ briefing note I saw a year or two ago mentioned that it is good to
have the wheel brake on because that improves the tyre's aquaplaning
capability. This lets the glider reach a lower speed before the wheel
finally sinks into the water.

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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. |
org | Zappa fan & glider pilot

Martin,

How does that work with the rule on closing spoilers before touching
down, if the wheel brake is attached to the spoilers?

Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA