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December 7th 03, 10:21 PM
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December 8th 03, 04:02 AM
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"B2431" wrote in message ... From: "Dudley Henriques" "Cub Driver" wrote in message Dudley, would you post a brief bio for us? I think I recall P-51s, but I don't have any notion of your career. When were you in the USAF/USAAF? For whom a commercial pilot? Where taught? I am a civilian pilot Ford, not military. Obviously you haven't yet done enough research. Lots of public record on this. How and why I have flown military airplanes is none of your business. Although I can't stop you from going down the road I believe you're thinking of going with this, I will tell you that I don't like this type of post . Do your own legwork Ford. There are many sources of public information on me, and what's not there, I have no desire to share with someone as obviously hostile to me as you are with this post. I sincerely hope I'm wrong in what I'm reading from your post here. If I am, please feel free to dig up and post anything you wish that's public information on me. If I'm not wrong, I feel compelled to advise you to be extremely careful where you go with this in a public forum. Your call ! Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt Dudley Henriques Am I missing something here? I see nothing "hostile" in the request. I also see nothing wrong with simply saying "I'd rather not say" as a response. Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired There's a history here Dan. I know several of the surviving AVG members personally. I reviewed Ford's book on the AVG after spending a day being briefed on it by a member of the Tigers who wasn't at all happy with his "research". Mr. Ford and I go back a few years, and have our "differences of opinion". Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt
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December 8th 03, 05:10 AM
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"B2431" wrote in message ... Am I missing something here? I see nothing "hostile" in the request. I also see nothing wrong with simply saying "I'd rather not say" as a response. Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired Just for general information; It's considered extremely bad manners to ask for, request, or demand personal background and/or qualifications of any individual on Usenet. These things can be offered in an atmosphere of friendship by someone voluntarily, but not asked for. When this is done, it's almost always done in an atmosphere of hostility. You really need go no further than Mr. Ford's remark, "Dudley, there is something fishy about you" to ascertain this. The inference is that if the person being "asked" to state these things doesn't respond to the poster's demand, that there is something to hide. The reality however, is that only idiots post these "requests", and only idiots allow themselves to be drawn into this scenario. These "requests" as you can see, attract the usual posters who either like or dislike either the poster or the person being "nailed". It's a losing proposition for everyone, and I have no intention of getting involved too deeply with it, as aside from a few people who have become good internet friends on the group through the years, I don't really give a rat's ass who on Usenet believes what about what . Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt
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#5
December 8th 03, 05:53 AM
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
"B2431" wrote in message ... Am I missing something here? I see nothing "hostile" in the request. I also see nothing wrong with simply saying "I'd rather not say" as a response. Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired Just for general information; It's considered extremely bad manners to ask for, request, or demand personal background and/or qualifications of any individual on Usenet. These things can be offered in an atmosphere of friendship by someone voluntarily, but not asked for. When this is done, it's almost always done in an atmosphere of hostility. You really need go no further than Mr. Ford's remark, "Dudley, there is something fishy about you" to ascertain this. The inference is that if the person being "asked" to state these things doesn't respond to the poster's demand, that there is something to hide. The reality however, is that only idiots post these "requests", and only idiots allow themselves to be drawn into this scenario. These "requests" as you can see, attract the usual posters who either like or dislike either the poster or the person being "nailed". It's a losing proposition for everyone, and I have no intention of getting involved too deeply with it, as aside from a few people who have become good internet friends on the group through the years, I don't really give a rat's ass who on Usenet believes what about what . Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt I personally don't give a rat's ass what kind of fighter planes you may or may not have flown, or for whom, or with whom. The fact that you use that tag line infers that you've done something to feel entitled to call yourself one. The initial request seemed rather innocent to me, and I didn't detect any hostility in it. Unfortunately, you managed to overreact in your obviously defensive response to it and stirred up the **** storm that ensued. Personally, I think most of you one-fan fliers have been exposed to too many Gs in your flying careers, with the obvious damaging effect to your gray matter. But that's another argument for another time. (^-^))) George Z. C-45, C-46, C-47, C-53, C-54, EC-121, UC-78, T-6, B-25 and enjoyed every minute in every one of them, and apologize for none because that's what I was ordered to do and I did the best I could and am here to tell you about it. PS - Of course, if you never flew any kind of fighter plane for the military, then you are a phony and don't belong in this NG.....so, please tell me it isn't so, and let's move on to something else.
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#6
December 8th 03, 06:32 AM
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... Dudley Henriques wrote: "B2431" wrote in message ... Am I missing something here? I see nothing "hostile" in the request. I also see nothing wrong with simply saying "I'd rather not say" as a response. Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired Just for general information; It's considered extremely bad manners to ask for, request, or demand personal background and/or qualifications of any individual on Usenet. These things can be offered in an atmosphere of friendship by someone voluntarily, but not asked for. When this is done, it's almost always done in an atmosphere of hostility. You really need go no further than Mr. Ford's remark, "Dudley, there is something fishy about you" to ascertain this. The inference is that if the person being "asked" to state these things doesn't respond to the poster's demand, that there is something to hide. The reality however, is that only idiots post these "requests", and only idiots allow themselves to be drawn into this scenario. These "requests" as you can see, attract the usual posters who either like or dislike either the poster or the person being "nailed". It's a losing proposition for everyone, and I have no intention of getting involved too deeply with it, as aside from a few people who have become good internet friends on the group through the years, I don't really give a rat's ass who on Usenet believes what about what . Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt I personally don't give a rat's ass what kind of fighter planes you may or may not have flown, or for whom, or with whom. The fact that you use that tag line infers that you've done something to feel entitled to call yourself one. The initial request seemed rather innocent to me, and I didn't detect any hostility in it. Unfortunately, you managed to overreact in your obviously defensive response to it and stirred up the **** storm that ensued. But that's another argument for another time. (^-^))) George Z. C-45, C-46, C-47, C-53, C-54, EC-121, UC-78, T-6, B-25 and enjoyed every minute in every one of them, and apologize for none because that's what I was ordered to do and I did the best I could and am here to tell you about it. PS - Of course, if you never flew any kind of fighter plane for the military, then you are a phony and don't belong in this NG.....so, please tell me it isn't so, and let's move on to something else. Well, I'll tell you this much. Yes I've flown fighters; not that it matters a hill of beans. The Fellowship was a very real organization , not that that matters much either, since it's not me who is making such a fuss about it ; so unless the tag line is saying something to you through mental telepathy that I wouldn't be saying myself......yes, let's indeed move on to something more intelligent shall we? Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt
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December 8th 03, 02:37 PM
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Subject: Fighter Pilot Fellowship (was: something else entirely)
From: "Dudley Henriques" Date: 12/7/03 10:32 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: . net "George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... Dudley Henriques wrote: "B2431" wrote in message ... Am I missing something here? I see nothing "hostile" in the request. I also see nothing wrong with simply saying "I'd rather not say" as a response. Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired Just for general information; It's considered extremely bad manners to ask for, request, or demand personal background and/or qualifications of any individual on Usenet. These things can be offered in an atmosphere of friendship by someone voluntarily, but not asked for. When this is done, it's almost always done in an atmosphere of hostility. You really need go no further than Mr. Ford's remark, "Dudley, there is something fishy about you" to ascertain this. The inference is that if the person being "asked" to state these things doesn't respond to the poster's demand, that there is something to hide. The reality however, is that only idiots post these "requests", and only idiots allow themselves to be drawn into this scenario. These "requests" as you can see, attract the usual posters who either like or dislike either the poster or the person being "nailed". It's a losing proposition for everyone, and I have no intention of getting involved too deeply with it, as aside from a few people who have become good internet friends on the group through the years, I don't really give a rat's ass who on Usenet believes what about what . Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt I personally don't give a rat's ass what kind of fighter planes you may or may not have flown, or for whom, or with whom. The fact that you use that tag line infers that you've done something to feel entitled to call yourself one. The initial request seemed rather innocent to me, and I didn't detect any hostility in it. Unfortunately, you managed to overreact in your obviously defensive response to it and stirred up the **** storm that ensued. But that's another argument for another time. (^-^))) George Z. C-45, C-46, C-47, C-53, C-54, EC-121, UC-78, T-6, B-25 and enjoyed every minute in every one of them, and apologize for none because that's what I was ordered to do and I did the best I could and am here to tell you about it. PS - Of course, if you never flew any kind of fighter plane for the military, then you are a phony and don't belong in this NG.....so, please tell me it isn't so, and let's move on to something else. Well, I'll tell you this much. Yes I've flown fighters; not that it matters a hill of beans. The Fellowship was a very real organization , not that that matters much either, since it's not me who is making such a fuss about it ; so unless the tag line is saying something to you through mental telepathy that I wouldn't be saying myself......yes, let's indeed move on to something more intelligent shall we? Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired Dudley, Never suffer fools gladly. Regards, Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
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#8
December 8th 03, 03:23 PM
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: Fighter Pilot Fellowship (was: something else entirely) From: "Dudley Henriques" Date: 12/7/03 10:32 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: . net "George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... Dudley Henriques wrote: "B2431" wrote in message ... Am I missing something here? I see nothing "hostile" in the request. I also see nothing wrong with simply saying "I'd rather not say" as a response. Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired Just for general information; It's considered extremely bad manners to ask for, request, or demand personal background and/or qualifications of any individual on Usenet. These things can be offered in an atmosphere of friendship by someone voluntarily, but not asked for. When this is done, it's almost always done in an atmosphere of hostility. You really need go no further than Mr. Ford's remark, "Dudley, there is something fishy about you" to ascertain this. The inference is that if the person being "asked" to state these things doesn't respond to the poster's demand, that there is something to hide. The reality however, is that only idiots post these "requests", and only idiots allow themselves to be drawn into this scenario. These "requests" as you can see, attract the usual posters who either like or dislike either the poster or the person being "nailed". It's a losing proposition for everyone, and I have no intention of getting involved too deeply with it, as aside from a few people who have become good internet friends on the group through the years, I don't really give a rat's ass who on Usenet believes what about what . Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt I personally don't give a rat's ass what kind of fighter planes you may or may not have flown, or for whom, or with whom. The fact that you use that tag line infers that you've done something to feel entitled to call yourself one. The initial request seemed rather innocent to me, and I didn't detect any hostility in it. Unfortunately, you managed to overreact in your obviously defensive response to it and stirred up the **** storm that ensued. But that's another argument for another time. (^-^))) George Z. C-45, C-46, C-47, C-53, C-54, EC-121, UC-78, T-6, B-25 and enjoyed every minute in every one of them, and apologize for none because that's what I was ordered to do and I did the best I could and am here to tell you about it. PS - Of course, if you never flew any kind of fighter plane for the military, then you are a phony and don't belong in this NG.....so, please tell me it isn't so, and let's move on to something else. Well, I'll tell you this much. Yes I've flown fighters; not that it matters a hill of beans. The Fellowship was a very real organization , not that that matters much either, since it's not me who is making such a fuss about it ; so unless the tag line is saying something to you through mental telepathy that I wouldn't be saying myself......yes, let's indeed move on to something more intelligent shall we? Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired Dudley, Never suffer fools gladly. Regards, When I get a post like this one I'll usually give the poster a shot or two of neutral response to give them a chance to back off. If they back off and reconsider, I'm not a vindictive person. Misunderstandings occur on Usenet. But if it's fairly certain that they are actually as stupid as their initial post would indicate, I just write them off as Usenet idiots or just let them post their constant crap under me without bothering with them unless it suits my fancy to do so for some reason of my own. Such, unfortunately, is the very essence of Usenet. Thanks for the kind thought :-) Dudley
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#9
December 8th 03, 06:20 PM
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"George Z. Bush" wrote:
I personally don't give a rat's ass what kind of fighter planes you may or may not have flown, or for whom, or with whom. The fact that you use that tag line infers that you've done something to feel entitled to call yourself one. The initial request seemed rather innocent to me, and I didn't detect any hostility in it. Unfortunately, you managed to overreact in your obviously defensive response to it and stirred up the **** storm that ensued. Well said, George. I couldn't care less if he flew fighters as a civilian airshow and test pilot. I'm convinced that the reason Henriques is so defensive and arrogant is because he thinks that due to the fact he simply happened to fly fighter aircraft, the fact that he did so automatically makes him above reproach and not to be questioned or challenged in any manner. Not unlike Kramer, the man is a legend in his own mind who suffers terribly from delusions of grandeur! Personally, I think most of you one-fan fliers have been exposed to too many Gs in your flying careers, with the obvious damaging effect to your gray matter. But that's another argument for another time. (^-^))) Or in Henrique's case, too many minutes exposed at high altitude with a loose-fitting O2 mask. George Z. C-45, C-46, C-47, C-53, C-54, EC-121, UC-78, T-6, B-25 and enjoyed every minute in every one of them, and apologize for none because that's what I was ordered to do and I did the best I could and am here to tell you about it. PS - Of course, if you never flew any kind of fighter plane for the military, then you are a phony and don't belong in this NG..... Exactly right! Having said that, I must admit that when I logon to RAM (which I've been doing for almost a decade now) Ed Rasimus' posts always get read first. I only click on a "Henriques" or a "Kramer" blowhard post if I'm bored because without Ed, this NG would probably wither away to just a shell of what it is today with Ed around. Kramer and Henriques can post all they wish, but as far as THIS military brat is concerned; Kramer couldn't possibly get any more mileage out of his bombardier experiences nor can Henriques get any more mileage out of his experiences as a civilian who happened to fly military airplanes.
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December 9th 03, 06:09 AM
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... I personally don't give a rat's ass what kind of fighter planes you may or may not have flown, or for whom, or with whom. Hmm, a bit of inconsistency between these two statements, George? PS - Of course, if you never flew any kind of fighter plane for the military, then you are a phony and don't belong in this NG.....so, please tell me it isn't so, and let's move on to something else.
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