How do weather services get sky conditions above the surface?

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I would a55ume that they have planes in the air at some point and
the
aircraft report the ceiling height of teh clouds and then they
estimate windspeed from observaton stations on the ground.
I'm just guessing. I knew a weather observer once.

That makes sense. I wonder how they estimate things like heights
and
distances, though. I suppose experience would help to come up
with
educated guesses for these, but one might still be way off.
Certainly
experience would be useful in recognizing specific cloud types and
patterns.

One article I read (I think it was Wikipedia) mentioned just ten
radiosondes for the entire Caribbean, that's hardly what I'd call
high-resolution measurement. You could almost fit a hurricane
between
radiosondes.


You are an idiot.

Bertie

Maybe they use dopplar radar to tell the height of the clouds, eh?
Otherwise I assume some sort of math involving triangulation and
other
difficult things.



Nah, it's easy. They compare the temperature to the dewpoint add in
th
edry adiabatic lapse rate and voila, you get the cloudbase.
Observation
is used for terminal areas, otherwise, though, it's still done the
old
fashioned way for the most part. These days, al info is mixed
together,
whihc gives a much better actual and forecasting capability.

bertie

Are you an ex weather observer or summat? I had a friend who was ex
USAF
weather observer then he got a job in elko doing weather observation &
moved
He was always talking about clouds & stuff trying to explain what was
happening up there...


Nah,, I'm a pilot. We have to learn the basics of how it's done. It's
interesting, but not riveting for me, anyhow. Handy to know a bit abou
tit in my line of work, though.

Sure, the basics; thats a funnel cloud, thats a hurricane, sheep arn't
supposed to fly...



Yeah, that sort of stuff

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This is interesting. Is the OP in question saying that they have
the
skills to fly a plane but *lack* the skills to configure a
kilfile?
If so, this is indeed troubling news and would provide a clue as
to
*why*
our skys are so unsafe today.


You're joking, of course, but in fact, you've hit the nail right
on
the
head.
Don't know about the OP, but a startling number of pilots today
are
spoon fed idiots who need a Nintendo DS in front of them to do
the
simplest flights...


They fly with the computer and not so much with the stick eh?
THey should watch 'Space Cowboys' some time. Tommy Lee Jones does
a
nice
job of landing the "flying brick" with a stick and no computer.


Mm, not so much that as flying with the compute and not their
heads!


I always thot you had to fly by "the seat of your pants".
What if your pants dont fit?

Hmm, a safety issue that possibly need sto be addrsssed.


Needless to say...scotsmen would be at a distinct disadvantage...

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Bertie
This is interesting. Is the OP in question saying that they have
the
skills to fly a plane but *lack* the skills to configure a
kilfile?
If so, this is indeed troubling news and would provide a clue as
to
*why*
our skys are so unsafe today.

You're joking, of course, but in fact, you've hit the nail right
on
the
head.
Don't know about the OP, but a startling number of pilots today
are
spoon fed idiots who need a Nintendo DS in front of them to do
the
simplest flights...


They fly with the computer and not so much with the stick eh?
THey should watch 'Space Cowboys' some time. Tommy Lee Jones does
a
nice
job of landing the "flying brick" with a stick and no computer.

Mm, not so much that as flying with the compute and not their
heads!

I always thot you had to fly by "the seat of your pants".
What if your pants dont fit?
Hmm, a safety issue that possibly need sto be addrsssed.


Needless to say...scotsmen would be at a distinct disadvantage...

Aren't they always?

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Ignoring him is not sufficient. His departure is the only
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is sufficient.
--
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I took a 12 month vacation from RAP. He still didn't leave.
When
I
came back most of the posts I saw were MX, followed by bertie,
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Snort.

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Bertie
This is interesting. Is the OP in question saying that they have
the
skills to fly a plane but *lack* the skills to configure a
kilfile?
If so, this is indeed troubling news and would provide a clue as
to
*why*
our skys are so unsafe today.

You're joking, of course, but in fact, you've hit the nail right
on
the
head.
Don't know about the OP, but a startling number of pilots today
are
spoon fed idiots who need a Nintendo DS in front of them to do
the
simplest flights...


They fly with the computer and not so much with the stick eh?
THey should watch 'Space Cowboys' some time. Tommy Lee Jones does
a
nice
job of landing the "flying brick" with a stick and no computer.

Mm, not so much that as flying with the compute and not their
heads!

I always thot you had to fly by "the seat of your pants".
What if your pants dont fit?
Hmm, a safety issue that possibly need sto be addrsssed.


Needless to say...scotsmen would be at a distinct disadvantage...

Aren't they always?

I too, hate the scottish. A vile lot if ever there was one.

--
"Those who can make you believe absurdities,
can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire

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Ignoring him is not sufficient. His departure is the only
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I took a 12 month vacation from RAP. He still didn't leave.
When
I
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Snort.

Like that'd stop me.

Bertie

This is interesting. Is the OP in question saying that they have
the
skills to fly a plane but *lack* the skills to configure a
kilfile?
If so, this is indeed troubling news and would provide a clue as
to
*why*
our skys are so unsafe today.


You're joking, of course, but in fact, you've hit the nail right
on
the
head.
Don't know about the OP, but a startling number of pilots today
are
spoon fed idiots who need a Nintendo DS in front of them to do
the
simplest flights...


They fly with the computer and not so much with the stick eh?
THey should watch 'Space Cowboys' some time. Tommy Lee Jones does
a
nice
job of landing the "flying brick" with a stick and no computer.


Mm, not so much that as flying with the compute and not their
heads!


I always thot you had to fly by "the seat of your pants".
What if your pants dont fit?

Hmm, a safety issue that possibly need sto be addrsssed.


Needless to say...scotsmen would be at a distinct disadvantage...


Well, as compensation, they would be able to utilise th ependulum effect
in it's place.
Bertie

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I'm glad for your amusement, but do you think your amusement
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the dismantling of one of the (previously) most useful forums
on
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If you think that it is worth it, then you have too high of a
value
placed on your own entertainment.

Ignoring him is not sufficient. His departure is the only
thing
that
is sufficient.
--
Jim in NC

I took a 12 month vacation from RAP. He still didn't leave.
When
I
came back most of the posts I saw were MX, followed by bertie,
followed by Max, followed by bertie - max - bertie - max - - -
-
-

I'm trying to figure out how to set up my own nntp server,
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Snort.

Like that'd stop me.

Bertie

This is interesting. Is the OP in question saying that they have
the
skills to fly a plane but *lack* the skills to configure a
kilfile?
If so, this is indeed troubling news and would provide a clue as
to
*why*
our skys are so unsafe today.


You're joking, of course, but in fact, you've hit the nail right
on
the
head.
Don't know about the OP, but a startling number of pilots today
are
spoon fed idiots who need a Nintendo DS in front of them to do
the
simplest flights...


They fly with the computer and not so much with the stick eh?
THey should watch 'Space Cowboys' some time. Tommy Lee Jones does
a
nice
job of landing the "flying brick" with a stick and no computer.


Mm, not so much that as flying with the compute and not their
heads!


I always thot you had to fly by "the seat of your pants".
What if your pants dont fit?

Hmm, a safety issue that possibly need sto be addrsssed.


Needless to say...scotsmen would be at a distinct disadvantage...


Well, as compensation, they would be able to utilise th ependulum effect
in it's place.
Bertie

The scots? HA! They're hung like mice...

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can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
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I'm glad for your amusement, but do you think your
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If you think that it is worth it, then you have too high of
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value
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Ignoring him is not sufficient. His departure is the only
thing
that
is sufficient.
--
Jim in NC

I took a 12 month vacation from RAP. He still didn't leave.
When
I
came back most of the posts I saw were MX, followed by
bertie, followed by Max, followed by bertie - max - bertie -
max - - -
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Snort.

Like that'd stop me.

Bertie

This is interesting. Is the OP in question saying that they
have
the
skills to fly a plane but *lack* the skills to configure a
kilfile?
If so, this is indeed troubling news and would provide a clue
as
to
*why*
our skys are so unsafe today.


You're joking, of course, but in fact, you've hit the nail
right
on
the
head.
Don't know about the OP, but a startling number of pilots today
are
spoon fed idiots who need a Nintendo DS in front of them to do
the
simplest flights...


They fly with the computer and not so much with the stick eh?
THey should watch 'Space Cowboys' some time. Tommy Lee Jones
does
a
nice
job of landing the "flying brick" with a stick and no computer.


Mm, not so much that as flying with the compute and not their
heads!


I always thot you had to fly by "the seat of your pants".
What if your pants dont fit?

Hmm, a safety issue that possibly need sto be addrsssed.


Needless to say...scotsmen would be at a distinct disadvantage...


Well, as compensation, they would be able to utilise th ependulum
effect in it's place.
Bertie

The scots? HA! They're hung like mice...


Mmm, you make a good point. Perhaps with a ring laser gyro attached..


Bertie

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Ignoring him is not sufficient. His departure is the only
thing
that
is sufficient.
--
Jim in NC

I took a 12 month vacation from RAP. He still didn't leave.
When
I
came back most of the posts I saw were MX, followed by
bertie, followed by Max, followed by bertie - max - bertie -
max - - -
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Snort.

Like that'd stop me.

Bertie

This is interesting. Is the OP in question saying that they
have
the
skills to fly a plane but *lack* the skills to configure a
kilfile?
If so, this is indeed troubling news and would provide a clue
as
to
*why*
our skys are so unsafe today.


You're joking, of course, but in fact, you've hit the nail
right
on
the
head.
Don't know about the OP, but a startling number of pilots today
are
spoon fed idiots who need a Nintendo DS in front of them to do
the
simplest flights...


They fly with the computer and not so much with the stick eh?
THey should watch 'Space Cowboys' some time. Tommy Lee Jones
does
a
nice
job of landing the "flying brick" with a stick and no computer.


Mm, not so much that as flying with the compute and not their
heads!


I always thot you had to fly by "the seat of your pants".
What if your pants dont fit?

Hmm, a safety issue that possibly need sto be addrsssed.


Needless to say...scotsmen would be at a distinct disadvantage...


Well, as compensation, they would be able to utilise th ependulum
effect in it's place.
Bertie

The scots? HA! They're hung like mice...


Mmm, you make a good point. Perhaps with a ring laser gyro attached..


Is that anything like a laod ballancer?

--
"Those who can make you believe absurdities,
can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire

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on
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If you think that it is worth it, then you have too high of
a
value
placed on your own entertainment.

Ignoring him is not sufficient. His departure is the only
thing
that
is sufficient.
--
Jim in NC

I took a 12 month vacation from RAP. He still didn't leave.
When
I
came back most of the posts I saw were MX, followed by
bertie, followed by Max, followed by bertie - max - bertie -
max - - -
-
-

I'm trying to figure out how to set up my own nntp server,
with
my
own
rules. Once I've got it up and running the way I want, I'll
publish
the address.

Here's a preview:

You'll never see a post by MX, Bertie, or Max, nor will you
ever
see
a
response to them.
You'll also never see a post by a spammer, unless a known
poster
decides to spam, or if I decide it's not really spam.


Snort.

Like that'd stop me.

Bertie

This is interesting. Is the OP in question saying that they
have
the
skills to fly a plane but *lack* the skills to configure a
kilfile?
If so, this is indeed troubling news and would provide a clue
as
to
*why*
our skys are so unsafe today.


You're joking, of course, but in fact, you've hit the nail
right
on
the
head.
Don't know about the OP, but a startling number of pilots today
are
spoon fed idiots who need a Nintendo DS in front of them to do
the
simplest flights...


They fly with the computer and not so much with the stick eh?
THey should watch 'Space Cowboys' some time. Tommy Lee Jones
does
a
nice
job of landing the "flying brick" with a stick and no computer.


Mm, not so much that as flying with the compute and not their
heads!


I always thot you had to fly by "the seat of your pants".
What if your pants dont fit?

Hmm, a safety issue that possibly need sto be addrsssed.


Needless to say...scotsmen would be at a distinct disadvantage...


Well, as compensation, they would be able to utilise th ependulum
effect in it's place.
Bertie

The scots? HA! They're hung like mice...


Mmm, you make a good point. Perhaps with a ring laser gyro attached..


Is that anything like a laod ballancer?

ignorant ****.