I Hate bush like any real man would

"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:51:58 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
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People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people, direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of the
republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the validity
of
the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

No, I don't.

Glad we cleared that up--stripping the vote from those likely to be dems is
apparently a travesty, while doing the same to those who serve overseas is
A-OK, huh?

Brooks


Mary

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Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:30:01 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:51:58 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people, direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of the
republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the validity
of
the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

No, I don't.

Glad we cleared that up--stripping the vote from those likely to be dems is
apparently a travesty, while doing the same to those who serve overseas is
A-OK, huh?

If the rules say your absentee vote has to be postmarked before a
given date, it's not stripping your vote from you if you don't get it
done in time. The same is true for folks serving in the US as well,
by the way, just like it is for civilians voting absentee.

Come to think of it, how could they tell the ballots were from
overseas military, not civilians overseas or folks stationed outside
Florida but within the US?

Mary

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Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:30:01 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:51:58 GMT, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


People are right to be troubled about voters being stripped of
their
vote for no valid reason. Our votes are how we, the people,
direct
our republic and taking away that right threatens the stability of
the
republic.

You mean kind of like Gore and the democrats ranting about the
validity
of
the absentee ballots sent back from the overseas military personnel?

No, I don't.

Glad we cleared that up--stripping the vote from those likely to be dems
is
apparently a travesty, while doing the same to those who serve overseas
is
A-OK, huh?

If the rules say your absentee vote has to be postmarked before a
given date, it's not stripping your vote from you if you don't get it
done in time. The same is true for folks serving in the US as well,
by the way, just like it is for civilians voting absentee.

Your concern was expressed as being regarding "...voters being stripped of
their vote for no valid reason." I'd think you would want to investigate
what constitutes "valid" and apply it equally across the board, to include
those absentee ballots that were almost tossed out because the democrats
feared their likely pro-republican count (justifiably, IIRC). The argument
was NOT over when they were submitted, but over the validity of the source
for the ballots being sent out (done by the local republican committee
chair--gee, I wonder why the democratic chair did not do likewise?), and a
technicality regarding who had listed the voter ID number on the envelope.
Even the Florida State Supreme Court, which demonstrated a rather
significant bias towards the Gore camp, in the end could not stomach this
kind of disenfranchisement effort on the part of Gore's supporters, and
affirmed the lower court's ruling to let them be counted. I'd think the
above definitely falls into your "no valid reason" category, don't you?


Come to think of it, how could they tell the ballots were from
overseas military, not civilians overseas or folks stationed outside
Florida but within the US?

The challenges from the Gore camp were curiously directed at two
predominantly republican counties, and the majority of absentee ballots
filed usually come from military sources. The courts found in both cases
that there were no grounds for tossing out the ballots. Interestingly, there
were no legal challenges by the republicans to have any absentee ballots
tossed out, even in predominantly democratic counties (and IIRC there was
some well based speculation that absentee ballots in Miami-Dade would likely
be leaning towards the Gore side). If you are truly concerned over alleged
disenfranchisement in Florida during the 2000 election, then I'd assume you
would be equally insensed at the efforts by the democrats in those two
counties to have those absentee ballots tossed out on the basis of minor
technicalities like who wrote down the individuals voter ID number as you
are over the allegations against Ms. Harris--if not, then you are letting
your sentiments get in the way of being fairminded, something you have in a
round about manner accused Ms. Harris of doing.

Brooks


Mary

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Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

As a Florida resident, I offer these observations:

1. The counties involved are VERY heavily Democrat.
2. The punch card ballots were approved by the local county Democrat party.
3. The supervisors of elections in those counties were Democrat.
4. The Democrat approved punch card ballots didn't seem to be a problem in
previous elections.\
5. The same people who had trouble dealing with punch card ballots qualified
for drivers' licenses and seem to be able to drive a car without much problem.

As Arsenio Hall used to say, "Makes you go 'hmmmmmmm.'"


Ed
"The French couldn't hate us any
more unless we helped 'em out in another war."
--Will Rogers



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"RobbelothE" wrote in message
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As a Florida resident, I offer these observations:

1. The counties involved are VERY heavily Democrat.

Seminole and Martin, the two counties whose absentee ballots were contested
by the Gore camp, voted Republican in 2000.

Brooks

2. The punch card ballots were approved by the local county Democrat
party.
3. The supervisors of elections in those counties were Democrat.
4. The Democrat approved punch card ballots didn't seem to be a problem in
previous elections.\
5. The same people who had trouble dealing with punch card ballots
qualified
for drivers' licenses and seem to be able to drive a car without much
problem.

As Arsenio Hall used to say, "Makes you go 'hmmmmmmm.'"


Ed
"The French couldn't hate us any
more unless we helped 'em out in another war."
--Will Rogers



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1. The counties involved are VERY heavily Democrat.

Seminole and Martin, the two counties whose absentee ballots were contested
by the Gore camp, voted Republican in 2000.

Brooks

I was referring only to the problems at the actual polls. I should have been
more specific.

Ed
"The French couldn't hate us any
more unless we helped 'em out in another war."
--Will Rogers



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Howdy!

In article ,
RobbelothE wrote:
As a Florida resident, I offer these observations:

....with a bias quite evident by your language misuse...

1. The counties involved are VERY heavily Democrat.
2. The punch card ballots were approved by the local county Democrat party.
3. The supervisors of elections in those counties were Democrat.
4. The Democrat approved punch card ballots didn't seem to be a problem in
previous elections.\
5. The same people who had trouble dealing with punch card ballots qualified
for drivers' licenses and seem to be able to drive a car without much problem.

Ummm...what is this "Democrat" party? I'm not familiar with them. I do know
of a "Democratic" party.

....makes me go "hmmm...this guy is not being very subtle about his biases..."

yours,
Michael


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