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Old December 22nd 08, 06:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
Ed Rasimus[_1_]
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Default I'm searching for a book.

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:51:50 +0100, "Sqeeb" wrote:

This fellow poster is an author(ity) on the subject,
Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
www.thundertales.blogspot.com
www.thunderchief.org

If he doesn't know it, it likely doesn't exist.


I see he wrote some books. Now it is begining to be a problem with choosing
the 'best ones'...

You might contact him for more advice.


You really think he has time for writing mails to flight-noobs like me?

Ya never know.

Shaw's book is an excellent resource. But, you'd be advised to already
know the basics such as what a high and low speed yo-yo are, what
lead, lag and pure pursuit curves are, what radial g is about, what
e-m (energy manuverabilty) and P-sub-S deal with, what mutual support
is about in a free/engaged fighter scenario, and what weapons
parameters in a comparative scenario mean, things like F-poles.

Your initial query does little to establish your start point in the
discussion. You might seek out an old pamphlet by Boots Blesse titled
"No Guts, No Glory" or watch some reruns of the "Dogfight" series on
the History Channel. Seriously, they are good primers on the topic.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
www.thundertales.blogspot.com
www.thunderchief.org
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Old December 22nd 08, 06:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
Sqeeb
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Default I'm searching for a book.

Ya never know.

But I'll meaby try when I'll have a little free time.

Shaw's book is an excellent resource. But, you'd be advised to
already know the basics such as what a high and low speed yo-yo
are, what lead, lag and pure pursuit curves are,


I know, that's simple.

what radial g is about,


Radial g? Erm... Do You mean g-force? That force which in physics is equal
to weidv^2 / r?

what e-m (energy manuverabilty)


Simple. energy = velocity + altitude.

and P-sub-S deal with, what mutual support is about in a
free/engaged fighter scenario, and what weapons
parameters in a comparative scenario mean, things like F-poles.


Uhm... That would be quite difficult at the moment. But I'm sure that I can
read about it somewhere.

Your initial query does little to establish your start point in the
discussion. You might seek out an old pamphlet by Boots Blesse
titled "No Guts, No Glory" or watch some reruns of the "Dogfight"
series on the History Channel. Seriously, they are good primers on
the topic.


I have watched already some videos more less related to dogfighting on
youtube.com and red couple of articles. Meaby I will suprise You guys, but I
am not from USA or the rest of english-speaking world. I am from Poland and
there are very few reccurent topics (basics manouvers, e-m and some history)
in my language.

In connection to above mentioned I'm searching for a book(or meaby two)
about dogfighting, from basics theory to photos/illustrations of real
traning/combat situations. I am really receptive.. I hope You get my point
now.

I am thinking right now about that Shaw's book, but firstly I'll try to find
lower-priced one. 46 pounds its quite a lot for me(meaby in dollars it will
be less). But I also think about Yours "Palace Cobra". This book is directed
on storys from Vietnam War?

Sorry for all language-mistakes.

Greet,
Sqeeb


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Old December 22nd 08, 06:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
Sqeeb
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Default I'm searching for a book.

to weidv^2 / r?

I wanted to wrote weight * velocity ^ 2 / radius




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Old December 22nd 08, 06:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
guy
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Default I'm searching for a book.

On 22 Dec, 18:44, "Sqeeb" wrote:
Ya never know.


But I'll meaby try when I'll have a little free time.

Shaw's book is an excellent resource. But, you'd be advised to
already know the basics such as what a high and low speed yo-yo
are, what lead, lag and pure pursuit curves are,


I know, that's simple.

what radial g is about,


Radial g? Erm... Do You mean g-force? That force which in physics is equal
to weidv^2 / r?

what e-m (energy manuverabilty)


Simple. energy = velocity + altitude.

and P-sub-S deal with, what mutual support is about in a
free/engaged fighter scenario, and what weapons
parameters in a comparative scenario mean, things like F-poles.


Uhm... That would be quite difficult at the moment. But I'm sure that I can
read about it somewhere.

Your initial query does little to establish your start point in the
discussion. You might seek out an old pamphlet by Boots Blesse
titled "No Guts, No Glory" or watch some reruns of the "Dogfight"
series on the History Channel. Seriously, they are good primers on
the topic.


I have watched already some videos more less related to dogfighting on
youtube.com and red couple of articles. Meaby I will suprise You guys, but I
am not from USA or the rest of english-speaking world. I am from Poland and
there are very few reccurent topics (basics manouvers, e-m and some history)
in my language.

In connection to above mentioned I'm searching for a book(or meaby two)
about dogfighting, from basics theory to photos/illustrations of real
traning/combat situations. I am really receptive.. I hope You get my point
now.

I am thinking right now about that Shaw's book, but firstly I'll try to find
lower-priced one. 46 pounds its quite a lot for me(meaby in dollars it will
be less). But I also think about Yours "Palace Cobra". This book is directed
on storys from Vietnam War?

Sorry for all language-mistakes.

Greet,
Sqeeb


You might try pinging JasiekS, he is from Poland, IIRC Warsaw, and has
good technical knowledge, he might be able to point you at Polish
sources.

cheers

Guy
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Old December 23rd 08, 02:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
gpsman
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Default I'm searching for a book.

On Dec 22, 1:44*pm, "Sqeeb" wrote:

I am thinking right now about that Shaw's book, but firstly I'll try to find
lower-priced one. 46 pounds its quite a lot for me


A cheaper alternative might be finding a copy of the old Microprose
flight sim Falcon 3.0, Gold, or 4.0.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_(computer_game)

3.0 was advertised as "a declassified version of the simulator used to
train National Guard F-16 pilots".

The extensive manual that came with v3.0 (the only version with which
I have experience) covered BCM pretty well, and the program included a
comprehensive training program.
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Old December 23rd 08, 03:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
Sqeeb
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Default I'm searching for a book.

A cheaper alternative might be finding a copy of the old
Microprose flight sim Falcon 3.0, Gold, or 4.0.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_(computer_game)

3.0 was advertised as "a declassified version of the simulator used
to train National Guard F-16 pilots".

The extensive manual that came with v3.0 (the only version with
which I have experience) covered BCM pretty well, and the
program included a comprehensive training program.


I have Lock On Modern Air Combat v1.02 right now and it also covers BCM
well. And there are few aircrafts to choose(Su-25,27,33, MiG-29(A/S),
F-15C).

Greet,
Sqeeb



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Old December 22nd 08, 07:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
gpsman
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Default I'm searching for a book.

On Dec 22, 1:08*pm, Ed Rasimus wrote:

Shaw's book is an excellent resource.


"Excellent"...?

Is there a better one?
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Old December 22nd 08, 08:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
Ed Rasimus[_1_]
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Default I'm searching for a book.

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:55:22 -0800 (PST), gpsman
wrote:

On Dec 22, 1:08*pm, Ed Rasimus wrote:

Shaw's book is an excellent resource.


"Excellent"...?

Is there a better one?
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- gpsman


Always! You are asking if there is a single "universal truth".

What's the purpose? What's the aircraft? What are the weapons? What is
the scenario? Are we talking about comparative performance or fully
integrated modern combat scenarios?

Typically the latest tactics manuals for a given weapon system are
going to be "better" than generic discussions of the subject.

Check behind the "green door".

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
www.thundertales.blogspot.com
www.thunderchief.org
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Old December 22nd 08, 08:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
gpsman
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Default I'm searching for a book.

On Dec 22, 3:01*pm, Ed Rasimus wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:55:22 -0800 (PST), gpsman

wrote:
On Dec 22, 1:08*pm, Ed Rasimus wrote:


Shaw's book is an excellent resource.


"Excellent"...?


Is there a better one?


Always!


So, there is no such thing as "best"?

You are asking if there is a single "universal truth".


No, I'm asking if there's a better resource (available) regarding the
OP's quest for "a book about modern fighter dogfighting, modern air
combat manoeuvering"

What's the purpose? What's the aircraft? What are the weapons? What is
the scenario? Are we talking about comparative performance or fully
integrated modern combat scenarios?


Just BCM. I think they call it BCM because it pretty much applies
across the board, kinda like "Stick & Rudder".

Typically the latest tactics manuals for a given weapon system are
going to be "better" than generic discussions of the subject.


I imagine so. I also imagine those manuals aren't generally made
available to the public...

AFAIK, and that's about from here | to | there, it's more or less
"look down, shoot down", way outside visual range these days.

Check behind the "green door".


The movie?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068260/
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Old December 22nd 08, 09:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
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Default I'm searching for a book.

Anyone else seeing a leetle red flag..?

 




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