Did I hear ABC correctly?

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...


Supposedly this Stryker Force is supposed to be anywhere in the world in 96
hours ( I think that was the time quoted ) and that the Air Force wasn't up
to that.

I don't know what the hell a "Stryker Force" is, but if you are referring to
the Stryker Brigade Combat Team, the goal is 96 hours. As to whether or not
the USAF can manage that, it would largely depend upon the level of
committment it has to other requirements--if DoD says getting the SBCT into
the theater is the top priority, airframes will be made available one way or
another.

The complaints were that their troop transports are too heavy.

Ambiguous. The Stryker combat vehicle pushes (but does not exceed) the
capability of the C-130, but it does not tax that of the larger strategic
airlifters like the C-5 and C-17.

Not to mention they had to add 2 tons of anti RPG protection to each
machine causing their weight problems to increase.

Again, ambiguous. IIRC that is extra applique armor you are referring to--it
could be airlifted in after the initial closure on the aerial port of
debarkation (APOD) if required. But if the method of transport is the C-5 or
C-17, it can travel with it already installed.


All the high tech stuff this Stryker Force has ain't gonna do much good if
you can't get them there. Maybe the Army forgot to talk to the Air Force??

This stuff has been flung back and forth for a couple of years now. Simple
answer is that the SBCT is a hell of a lot lighter (and easier) to transport
than the next heavier asset (a heavy brigade combat team with its M1A2's,
M2A2's, M109A6's, etc.), while it packs substantially more ground maneuver
capability and protection than its next lighter component (the light
infantry brigade combat team). It is a good tool to have in the grand
toolbox of military operations for the US military--they were not quite
ready when the balloon went up for OIF (the first SBCT just became fully
operational this past year), so the Army had to try and get a heavy force
into Northern Iraq by air, resulting in IIRC about the equivalent of one
battalion task force (minus, again IIRC) (which is only one-third of a heavy
BCT) making it into that area by the time the units in the south made the
link up. Had they had a SBCT ready to go we would have seen the entire
brigade in the AO instead.

Brooks

Kevin Brooks wrote:

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...




Supposedly this Stryker Force is supposed to be anywhere in the world in 96


hours ( I think that was the time quoted ) and that the Air Force wasn't up
to that.

I don't know what the hell a "Stryker Force" is, but if you are referring to
the Stryker Brigade Combat Team, the goal is 96 hours. As to whether or not
the USAF can manage that, it would largely depend upon the level of
committment it has to other requirements--if DoD says getting the SBCT into
the theater is the top priority, airframes will be made available one way or
another.



The complaints were that their troop transports are too heavy.



Ambiguous. The Stryker combat vehicle pushes (but does not exceed) the
capability of the C-130, but it does not tax that of the larger strategic
airlifters like the C-5 and C-17.



Not to mention they had to add 2 tons of anti RPG protection to each


machine causing their weight problems to increase.

Again, ambiguous. IIRC that is extra applique armor you are referring to--it
could be airlifted in after the initial closure on the aerial port of
debarkation (APOD) if required. But if the method of transport is the C-5 or
C-17, it can travel with it already installed.




All the high tech stuff this Stryker Force has ain't gonna do much good if


you can't get them there. Maybe the Army forgot to talk to the Air Force??

This stuff has been flung back and forth for a couple of years now. Simple
answer is that the SBCT is a hell of a lot lighter (and easier) to transport
than the next heavier asset (a heavy brigade combat team with its M1A2's,
M2A2's, M109A6's, etc.), while it packs substantially more ground maneuver
capability and protection than its next lighter component (the light
infantry brigade combat team). It is a good tool to have in the grand
toolbox of military operations for the US military--they were not quite
ready when the balloon went up for OIF (the first SBCT just became fully
operational this past year), so the Army had to try and get a heavy force
into Northern Iraq by air, resulting in IIRC about the equivalent of one
battalion task force (minus, again IIRC) (which is only one-third of a heavy
BCT) making it into that area by the time the units in the south made the
link up. Had they had a SBCT ready to go we would have seen the entire
brigade in the AO instead.

Brooks


My apologies if I offended you. I am not familiar with this stuff and I
wasn't taking notes while viewing the show. I'll try to do better next
time. My post was a way for me to seek information so that I could
learn more.

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...


Kevin Brooks wrote:

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...



Supposedly this Stryker Force is supposed to be anywhere in the world in
96
hours ( I think that was the time quoted ) and that the Air Force wasn't up
to that.

I don't know what the hell a "Stryker Force" is, but if you are referring
to
the Stryker Brigade Combat Team, the goal is 96 hours. As to whether or not
the USAF can manage that, it would largely depend upon the level of
committment it has to other requirements--if DoD says getting the SBCT into
the theater is the top priority, airframes will be made available one way or
another.


The complaints were that their troop transports are too heavy.


Ambiguous. The Stryker combat vehicle pushes (but does not exceed) the
capability of the C-130, but it does not tax that of the larger strategic
airlifters like the C-5 and C-17.


Not to mention they had to add 2 tons of anti RPG protection to each

machine causing their weight problems to increase.

Again, ambiguous. IIRC that is extra applique armor you are referring
to--it
could be airlifted in after the initial closure on the aerial port of
debarkation (APOD) if required. But if the method of transport is the C-5 or
C-17, it can travel with it already installed.



All the high tech stuff this Stryker Force has ain't gonna do much good
if

you can't get them there. Maybe the Army forgot to talk to the Air Force??

This stuff has been flung back and forth for a couple of years now. Simple
answer is that the SBCT is a hell of a lot lighter (and easier) to transport
than the next heavier asset (a heavy brigade combat team with its M1A2's,
M2A2's, M109A6's, etc.), while it packs substantially more ground maneuver
capability and protection than its next lighter component (the light
infantry brigade combat team). It is a good tool to have in the grand
toolbox of military operations for the US military--they were not quite
ready when the balloon went up for OIF (the first SBCT just became fully
operational this past year), so the Army had to try and get a heavy force
into Northern Iraq by air, resulting in IIRC about the equivalent of one
battalion task force (minus, again IIRC) (which is only one-third of a heavy
BCT) making it into that area by the time the units in the south made the
link up. Had they had a SBCT ready to go we would have seen the entire
brigade in the AO instead.

Brooks

My apologies if I offended you. I am not familiar with this stuff and I
wasn't taking notes while viewing the show. I'll try to do better next
time. My post was a way for me to seek information so that I could learn
more.

You did not offend me. I was not aware my response even insinuated that you
had, and upon rereading it again I am still scratchin' my noggin as to how
you got that idea. One piece of advice, though--if you are going to hang
around Usenet, thicken your skin a bit, because if you thought my response
was terse, you ain't seen nothin' yet. And I recommend you post in plain
text--makes it a bit easier on others.

Brooks

Kevin Brooks wrote:

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...


Kevin Brooks wrote:

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...





Supposedly this Stryker Force is supposed to be anywhere in the world in


96
hours ( I think that was the time quoted ) and that the Air Force wasn't up
to that.



I don't know what the hell a "Stryker Force" is, but if you are referring


to
the Stryker Brigade Combat Team, the goal is 96 hours. As to whether or not
the USAF can manage that, it would largely depend upon the level of
committment it has to other requirements--if DoD says getting the SBCT into
the theater is the top priority, airframes will be made available one way or
another.




The complaints were that their troop transports are too heavy.






Ambiguous. The Stryker combat vehicle pushes (but does not exceed) the


capability of the C-130, but it does not tax that of the larger strategic
airlifters like the C-5 and C-17.




Not to mention they had to add 2 tons of anti RPG protection to each



machine causing their weight problems to increase.



Again, ambiguous. IIRC that is extra applique armor you are referring


to--it
could be airlifted in after the initial closure on the aerial port of
debarkation (APOD) if required. But if the method of transport is the C-5 or
C-17, it can travel with it already installed.





All the high tech stuff this Stryker Force has ain't gonna do much good


if

you can't get them there. Maybe the Army forgot to talk to the Air Force??



This stuff has been flung back and forth for a couple of years now. Simple


answer is that the SBCT is a hell of a lot lighter (and easier) to transport
than the next heavier asset (a heavy brigade combat team with its M1A2's,
M2A2's, M109A6's, etc.), while it packs substantially more ground maneuver
capability and protection than its next lighter component (the light
infantry brigade combat team). It is a good tool to have in the grand
toolbox of military operations for the US military--they were not quite
ready when the balloon went up for OIF (the first SBCT just became fully
operational this past year), so the Army had to try and get a heavy force
into Northern Iraq by air, resulting in IIRC about the equivalent of one
battalion task force (minus, again IIRC) (which is only one-third of a heavy
BCT) making it into that area by the time the units in the south made the
link up. Had they had a SBCT ready to go we would have seen the entire
brigade in the AO instead.

Brooks



My apologies if I offended you. I am not familiar with this stuff and I


wasn't taking notes while viewing the show. I'll try to do better next
time. My post was a way for me to seek information so that I could learn


more.



You did not offend me. I was not aware my response even insinuated that you
had, and upon rereading it again I am still scratchin' my noggin as to how
you got that idea. One piece of advice, though--if you are going to hang
around Usenet, thicken your skin a bit, because if you thought my response
was terse, you ain't seen nothin' yet. And I recommend you post in plain
text--makes it a bit easier on others.

Brooks




Didn't realize I wasn't posting in plain text. Maybe now?

The place where I got the idea was "I don't know what the hell a "Stryker Force" is...." comment.

Don't really care one way or another how anyone feels about me as I
don't come here to make friends ( or enemies for that matter. ) Just
trying to spread some manners and a little niceness, I don't have to
though. I'll just stick to doing that with my kids. Maybe they will
start a trend where folks can actually be courteous to each other
instead of the direction most kids ( an adults ) seem to be headed now.
Also trying to gain a little knowledge from this group. It never hurts
to learn, especially from history. Been lurking for quite a few years
now, so I know how various groups behave. I sleep well at night.

On a different note, I spent a nice couple of hours at Planes Of Fame
today with my little boy. It was nice watching the interest grow in him
from his surroundings! I did miss a chance to step into Picadilly Lilly
II. I waited too long and they close up the plane one hour before the
museum closes. Maybe another time. So I left the place listening to
them trying to start a heavy. Always start by checking for spark and
fuel.....

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...

Don't really care one way or another how anyone feels about me as I
don't come here to make friends ( or enemies for that matter. ) Just
trying to spread some manners and a little niceness, I don't have to
though. I'll just stick to doing that with my kids. Maybe they will
start a trend where folks can actually be courteous to each other
instead of the direction most kids ( an adults ) seem to be headed now.
Also trying to gain a little knowledge from this group. It never hurts
to learn, especially from history. Been lurking for quite a few years
now, so I know how various groups behave. I sleep well at night.

What a refreshing change to run into some folks who are capable of disagreeing
with you without being disagreeable about it. This is one of the few NGs where
you stand a fairly good chance of having exchanges with folks who might not see
things your way, but will still be able to get their point across without
feeling obliged to turning the air blue in order to make their points.

On some other NGs where alleged adults hang out, masculinity is measured by the
number of cuss words used per hundred, and the higher the batting average, the
more masculine you presumably are. Pretty sad that men old enough to be
grandparents are still behaving the way they obviously did when they were in
grade school, completely untouched by the maturation process.

Anyway, we don't have too many of that ilk around here, so make yourself at
home, and ask away.....especially about things aeronautical. You may or may not
always get answers to your questions, but we do have a pretty knowledgeable
group here on the subject of aviation, so you stand a pretty fair chance of
becoming enlightened, if that's your intent.

And, for whatever it's worth, stay away from politics.....it seems to bring out
the worst in everybody. (^-^)))

George Z.

George Z. Bush wrote:

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
...



Don't really care one way or another how anyone feels about me as I
don't come here to make friends ( or enemies for that matter. ) Just
trying to spread some manners and a little niceness, I don't have to
though. I'll just stick to doing that with my kids. Maybe they will
start a trend where folks can actually be courteous to each other
instead of the direction most kids ( an adults ) seem to be headed now.
Also trying to gain a little knowledge from this group. It never hurts
to learn, especially from history. Been lurking for quite a few years
now, so I know how various groups behave. I sleep well at night.



What a refreshing change to run into some folks who are capable of disagreeing
with you without being disagreeable about it. This is one of the few NGs where
you stand a fairly good chance of having exchanges with folks who might not see
things your way, but will still be able to get their point across without
feeling obliged to turning the air blue in order to make their points.

On some other NGs where alleged adults hang out, masculinity is measured by the
number of cuss words used per hundred, and the higher the batting average, the
more masculine you presumably are. Pretty sad that men old enough to be
grandparents are still behaving the way they obviously did when they were in
grade school, completely untouched by the maturation process.

Anyway, we don't have too many of that ilk around here, so make yourself at
home, and ask away.....especially about things aeronautical. You may or may not
always get answers to your questions, but we do have a pretty knowledgeable
group here on the subject of aviation, so you stand a pretty fair chance of
becoming enlightened, if that's your intent.

And, for whatever it's worth, stay away from politics.....it seems to bring out
the worst in everybody. (^-^)))

George Z.



Thanks George! That's my intent, to learn a little and pass it along to
my kids. I'm tired of watching too many parents not get involved with
their kids upbringing and maybe I can break the cycle in my little part
of the world. BTW, my boy has spent the past two days "flying" his F4U
model. He knows enough to put the wheels up for flight and down for a
landing, although sometimes he does a belly landing. Not bad for a two
year old. Gotta start them out right!

No problem about politics. I believe what I believe and it's not really
my job to try to change anybody's mind, so I don't. I try to teach my
kids to study up, to understand that everyone else has their own twist
or vision, and to formulate their own idea whether others agree or
don't. Thanks again!

"George Z. Bush" wrote:


And, for whatever it's worth, stay away from politics.....it seems to bring out
the worst in everybody. (^-^)))

George Z.

Jesus yes!! especially that @#$%^&*()_+ GeorgeZ guy...



--

-Gord.