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"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
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"Ragnar" wrote in message
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I would note that Kursk was fought by the SOVIETS, not the Russians.

Thanks, I did not know that there were not Russians in the Soviet Army.

You are a fool.

The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote:

:You are a fool.
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:The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
:Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.

Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
formations.

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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote:

:You are a fool.
:
:The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
:Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.

Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
formations.


Its certainly the case that SOME nationalities such as the Uzbekhs
tended to end in pioneer units but thats not universally true

Kristapor Ivanian an Armenian commanded the Red Army artillery
during the battle for Berlin

One of the two soldiers who raised the flag over the Reichstag was
Meliton Kantarija, a Georgian

The army photographer who captured the image was Yevgeni Khaldei,
a Ukranian. In fact around 25% of the red army were Ukranians.
The Soviets could not afford such niceties during WW2.

Keith

Keith Willshaw wrote:

Its certainly the case that SOME nationalities such as the Uzbekhs
tended to end in pioneer units but thats not universally true

Kristapor Ivanian an Armenian commanded the Red Army artillery
during the battle for Berlin

One of the two soldiers who raised the flag over the Reichstag was
Meliton Kantarija, a Georgian

The army photographer who captured the image was Yevgeni Khaldei,
a Ukranian. In fact around 25% of the red army were Ukranians.
The Soviets could not afford such niceties during WW2.

Of the ten or so Russian officers with whom I worked in UNTSO, about
half were Ukrainians (the West Ukrainians couldn't understand the East
Ukrainians and vice versa, unless they were speaking Russian or
English -- or so they professed).
--
Andrew Chaplin
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote:

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:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
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: "Keith Willshaw" wrote:
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: :You are a fool.
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: :The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
: :Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.
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: Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
: 90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
: formations.
:
:
:Its certainly the case that SOME nationalities such as the Uzbekhs
:tended to end in pioneer units but thats not universally true
:
:Kristapor Ivanian an Armenian commanded the Red Army artillery
:during the battle for Berlin
:
:One of the two soldiers who raised the flag over the Reichstag was
: Meliton Kantarija, a Georgian
:
:The army photographer who captured the image was Yevgeni Khaldei,
:a Ukranian. In fact around 25% of the red army were Ukranians.
:The Soviets could not afford such niceties during WW2.

Practice during WWII does not reflect more recent practices on the
part of the Red Army prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union. One of
the HUGE problems with their system was that folks from one of the
'subject races' would get drafted, do their two years in a railroad
battalion or some such, then upon discharge were subject to call up
for filling up Cat 2 units that were intended for combat (for which
they had virtually no real training). Normally Soviet practice for
interventions was to activate the Cat 2 units in the area and use
them.

This bit the Soviets in a major way when they first went into
Afghanistan, for example, both because the units that were ostensibly
'combat ready' had mostly people who knew nothing about the subject
and because a lot of the folks being called up were Muslims, who would
swap their AK for a copy of the Koran as soon as they hit Kabul.

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-- Charles Pinckney

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote:

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:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
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: "Keith Willshaw" wrote:
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: :You are a fool.
: :
: :The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians,
ByeloRussians,
: :Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.
:
: Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
: 90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
: formations.
:
:
:Its certainly the case that SOME nationalities such as the Uzbekhs
:tended to end in pioneer units but thats not universally true
:
:Kristapor Ivanian an Armenian commanded the Red Army artillery
:during the battle for Berlin
:
:One of the two soldiers who raised the flag over the Reichstag was
: Meliton Kantarija, a Georgian
:
:The army photographer who captured the image was Yevgeni Khaldei,
:a Ukranian. In fact around 25% of the red army were Ukranians.
:The Soviets could not afford such niceties during WW2.

Practice during WWII does not reflect more recent practices on the
part of the Red Army prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union.

Maybe not but we were discussing the Red Army in WW2

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote:

:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
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: Practice during WWII does not reflect more recent practices on the
: part of the Red Army prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union.
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:Maybe not but we were discussing the Red Army in WW2

Ah, but I was not. Verb tense is important! :-)

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"Keith Willshaw" wrote:

:You are a fool.
:
:The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
:Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.

Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
formations.

There were exceptions. Certainly, ethnic Russians had the best shot at
senior positions. "Victor Suvorov" writes that Tatars tended to make
the best senior sergeants.

When dealing with conflict in the empire, such as the suppression of the
1956 Budapest revolt, the "second wave" was primarily non-Russian, since
many of the Russian occupation troops had become sympathetic to the
Hungarians. Indeed, it was considered desirable that the new troops not
share a language with the people they were suppressing -- many
Hungarians spoke Russian.

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote:

:You are a fool.
:
:The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
:Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.

Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
formations.

oh oh, you better plonk him then goof