What does it cost to own an airplane?

On Jun 30, 9:13*pm, "Steve" wrote:
"Ross" wrote in message

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I agree, you have to fly about 140 hours a year to justify a plane and a
financial adviser will suggest that you rent rather than buy. But, there
is something about going out to your hangar, opening the door, and seeing
your airplane. No body else has flown it, left it messy or you cannot get
on the schedule on that first nice day in three weeks because everyone has
beat you to it.
Priceless....

It certainly is. Maybe someday, perhaps after I retire, I can justify it. Or
rationalize it, anyway :-)

But a club like I have found, or better yet a small partnership can be the
next best thing. Availability was the main thing I checked before
considering this club. So far, it has not been a problem. We can schedule
out as far as we want, and are allowed a 2 week trip once a year, and we can
go to Mexico.

I was a member of one of the best and oldest clubs around. We have
three very find aircraft and they were well maintained. The prices
were very resonable for both the monthly dues and for flying costs.
There was absolutely no way that I could cost justify owning my own
plane based on the comparison to the club costs.

On the other hand, the flying club was at times the most frustrating
thing that I have ever been involved with. I am a weekend flyer who
doesn't have time because of work to fly during the week. I want the
planes on the weekend or for vacations. I also don't want to have to
plan every flight weeks in advance but would rather be able to go
flying when I feel like it. If I wake up on Sat. morning and the
weather looks great for the weekend, I tell my wife to pack an
overnight bag and we GO! The flying club NEVER afforded me that
opportunity. We had to schedule in advance and hope the weather would
cooperate. If we waited too late, the planes would be booked and more
often than not sit in the damn hangar the entire weekend without
anyone flying them. I lost count of the number of times I would check
the schedule and find all three planes booked only to go out to the
airport and find one or all of them setting in the hangar cold and
unflown.

So what is the best option? It all depends on your type of flying.
If you want availability on a moments notice without having to be
concerned with getting it back in time for someone else who had it
booked but never shows, go with the club. The partnership can be a
lot more attractive for scheduling purposes but will cost you more and
you have to be cautious about who you partner with. Ownership will
put ALL the costs on you and those can be expensive depending on many
different circumstances.

Guess this might be one for the old "If you have to ask...you can't
afford it." type of answer. Some sample expenses are hangar rent
$175-350 per month depending on location. Insurance $1200-$unlimited
depending on aircraft and amount of coverage. Annual inspections will
depend on amount of work being performed but will start at $1500 and
go up from there. Those are just the fixed type costs and don't
include variables such a fuel and routine maintenance costs.

BobR wrote:
On Jun 30, 9:13 pm, "Steve" wrote:
"Ross" wrote in message

...

I agree, you have to fly about 140 hours a year to justify a plane and a
financial adviser will suggest that you rent rather than buy. But, there
is something about going out to your hangar, opening the door, and seeing
your airplane. No body else has flown it, left it messy or you cannot get
on the schedule on that first nice day in three weeks because everyone has
beat you to it.
Priceless....
It certainly is. Maybe someday, perhaps after I retire, I can justify it. Or
rationalize it, anyway :-)

But a club like I have found, or better yet a small partnership can be the
next best thing. Availability was the main thing I checked before
considering this club. So far, it has not been a problem. We can schedule
out as far as we want, and are allowed a 2 week trip once a year, and we can
go to Mexico.

I was a member of one of the best and oldest clubs around. We have
three very find aircraft and they were well maintained. The prices
were very resonable for both the monthly dues and for flying costs.
There was absolutely no way that I could cost justify owning my own
plane based on the comparison to the club costs.

On the other hand, the flying club was at times the most frustrating
thing that I have ever been involved with. I am a weekend flyer who
doesn't have time because of work to fly during the week. I want the
planes on the weekend or for vacations. I also don't want to have to
plan every flight weeks in advance but would rather be able to go
flying when I feel like it. If I wake up on Sat. morning and the
weather looks great for the weekend, I tell my wife to pack an
overnight bag and we GO! The flying club NEVER afforded me that
opportunity. We had to schedule in advance and hope the weather would
cooperate. If we waited too late, the planes would be booked and more
often than not sit in the damn hangar the entire weekend without
anyone flying them. I lost count of the number of times I would check
the schedule and find all three planes booked only to go out to the
airport and find one or all of them setting in the hangar cold and
unflown.

So what is the best option? It all depends on your type of flying.
If you want availability on a moments notice without having to be
concerned with getting it back in time for someone else who had it
booked but never shows, go with the club. The partnership can be a
lot more attractive for scheduling purposes but will cost you more and
you have to be cautious about who you partner with. Ownership will
put ALL the costs on you and those can be expensive depending on many
different circumstances.

Guess this might be one for the old "If you have to ask...you can't
afford it." type of answer. Some sample expenses are hangar rent
$175-350 per month depending on location. Insurance $1200-$unlimited
depending on aircraft and amount of coverage. Annual inspections will
depend on amount of work being performed but will start at $1500 and
go up from there. Those are just the fixed type costs and don't
include variables such a fuel and routine maintenance costs.


I had a '65 Skyhawk with a O-360 turning a C/S prob. It was full IFR
with a KLN-89B. OK, so it was old, but it did the job for my type of
flying. My insurance was ~$690.00/yr, annual usually were around %500,
but I did most of the grunt work. I did have the two MK 12D radios and
audio panel R&R over a three year period and that was about $2000. One
MK12D was upgraded to the D+., hangar was $205/month, but get a little
closer to Dallas, and the price goes way up. So you can see, it really
depends on location, and the type of flying you will be doing. I loved
to have my plane ready and any time. But, I was fortunate at the time to
be able to afford one outright. Kids out of college and a small
inheritance helped.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
Sold
KSWI

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BobR wrote:

On Jun 30, 9:13*pm, "Steve" wrote:
"Ross" wrote in message

...

I agree, you have to fly about 140 hours a year to justify a plane and a
financial adviser will suggest that you rent rather than buy. But, there
is something about going out to your hangar, opening the door, and seeing
your airplane. No body else has flown it, left it messy or you cannot get
on the schedule on that first nice day in three weeks because everyone has
beat you to it.
Priceless....

It certainly is. Maybe someday, perhaps after I retire, I can justify it. Or
rationalize it, anyway :-)

But a club like I have found, or better yet a small partnership can be the
next best thing. Availability was the main thing I checked before
considering this club. So far, it has not been a problem. We can schedule
out as far as we want, and are allowed a 2 week trip once a year, and we can
go to Mexico.

I was a member of one of the best and oldest clubs around. We have
three very find aircraft and they were well maintained. The prices
were very resonable for both the monthly dues and for flying costs.
There was absolutely no way that I could cost justify owning my own
plane based on the comparison to the club costs.

On the other hand, the flying club was at times the most frustrating
thing that I have ever been involved with. I am a weekend flyer who
doesn't have time because of work to fly during the week. I want the
planes on the weekend or for vacations. I also don't want to have to
plan every flight weeks in advance but would rather be able to go
flying when I feel like it. If I wake up on Sat. morning and the
weather looks great for the weekend, I tell my wife to pack an
overnight bag and we GO! The flying club NEVER afforded me that
opportunity. We had to schedule in advance and hope the weather would
cooperate. If we waited too late, the planes would be booked and more
often than not sit in the damn hangar the entire weekend without
anyone flying them. I lost count of the number of times I would check
the schedule and find all three planes booked only to go out to the
airport and find one or all of them setting in the hangar cold and
unflown.

So what is the best option? It all depends on your type of flying.
If you want availability on a moments notice without having to be
concerned with getting it back in time for someone else who had it
booked but never shows, go with the club. The partnership can be a
lot more attractive for scheduling purposes but will cost you more and
you have to be cautious about who you partner with. Ownership will
put ALL the costs on you and those can be expensive depending on many
different circumstances.

Guess this might be one for the old "If you have to ask...you can't
afford it." type of answer. Some sample expenses are hangar rent
$175-350 per month depending on location. Insurance $1200-$unlimited
depending on aircraft and amount of coverage. Annual inspections will
depend on amount of work being performed but will start at $1500 and
go up from there. Those are just the fixed type costs and don't
include variables such a fuel and routine maintenance costs.

BobR,

That wasn't the A&E Flying Club in Hawthorne, CA, was it? I was a member
there in 1964-64. They had super rates -- and wet tach time -- no damn
Hobbs!

At that time a Beech B-35 Bonanza was $9/hr, F-35 $10, Meyers 200A $12,
C172 $7. Remember -- that was 45 years ago, but STILL super rates.

The club had scheduled, supervised maintenance, which all members were
required to help perform.

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Remove _'s from email address to talk to me.

On Jul 2, 12:27*pm, Orval Fairbairn
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*BobR wrote:
On Jun 30, 9:13*pm, "Steve" wrote:
"Ross" wrote in message

...

I agree, you have to fly about 140 hours a year to justify a plane and a
financial adviser will suggest that you rent rather than buy. But, there
is something about going out to your hangar, opening the door, and seeing
your airplane. No body else has flown it, left it messy or you cannot get
on the schedule on that first nice day in three weeks because everyone has
beat you to it.
Priceless....

It certainly is. Maybe someday, perhaps after I retire, I can justify it. Or
rationalize it, anyway :-)

But a club like I have found, or better yet a small partnership can be the
next best thing. Availability was the main thing I checked before
considering this club. So far, it has not been a problem. We can schedule
out as far as we want, and are allowed a 2 week trip once a year, and we can
go to Mexico.

I was a member of one of the best and oldest clubs around. *We have
three very find aircraft and they were well maintained. *The prices
were very resonable for both the monthly dues and for flying costs.
There was absolutely no way that I could cost justify owning my own
plane based on the comparison to the club costs.

On the other hand, the flying club was at times the most frustrating
thing that I have ever been involved with. *I am a weekend flyer who
doesn't have time because of work to fly during the week. *I want the
planes on the weekend or for vacations. *I also don't want to have to
plan every flight weeks in advance but would rather be able to go
flying when I feel like it. *If I wake up on Sat. morning and the
weather looks great for the weekend, I tell my wife to pack an
overnight bag and we GO! *The flying club NEVER afforded me that
opportunity. *We had to schedule in advance and hope the weather would
cooperate. *If we waited too late, the planes would be booked and more
often than not sit in the damn hangar the entire weekend without
anyone flying them. *I lost count of the number of times I would check
the schedule and find all three planes booked only to go out to the
airport and find one or all of them setting in the hangar cold and
unflown.

So what is the best option? *It all depends on your type of flying.
If you want availability on a moments notice without having to be
concerned with getting it back in time for someone else who had it
booked but never shows, go with the club. *The partnership can be a
lot more attractive for scheduling purposes but will cost you more and
you have to be cautious about who you partner with. *Ownership will
put ALL the costs on you and those can be expensive depending on many
different circumstances.

Guess this might be one for the old "If you have to ask...you can't
afford it." type of answer. *Some sample expenses are hangar rent
$175-350 per month depending on location. *Insurance $1200-$unlimited
depending on aircraft and amount of coverage. *Annual inspections will
depend on amount of work being performed but will start at $1500 and
go up from there. *Those are just the fixed type costs and don't
include variables such a fuel and routine maintenance costs.

BobR,

That wasn't the A&E Flying Club in Hawthorne, CA, was it? I was a member
there in 1964-64. They had super rates -- and wet tach time -- no damn
Hobbs!

At that time a Beech B-35 Bonanza was $9/hr, F-35 $10, Meyers 200A $12,
C172 $7. Remember -- that was 45 years ago, but STILL super rates.

The club had scheduled, supervised maintenance, which all members were
required to help perform.

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Nope, it was the Southwest Flying Club out of Hooks Airport in Spring
Tx (Houston). By the way, I would recommend the club to ANYONE
interested in joining one of the better clubs around.