Emergency Descents with ATC COMS - Video

On Sep 12, 2:26*am, BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 11, 3:12*am, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

How patronising. Your stated location "10m NE of KJAN" seems to be
within 4 miles of the centerline of a Victor and since you were at
4000' are you maintaining that aerobatics are allowed there?

I was in a designated practice area. *While you may think I was
conducting aerobatics, even if I was, it was within legal airspace
confines. *Next you will tell me they allow practice areas to be place
in areas to terrorize airways near them. I will say I was well clear
of the outer shelf of Charlie, so my distance most likely was further
NE. *Try to use some common sense if you have any.

BTW, the 10 miles you should know is an approximate so you knew where
to look on the sectional. *One minutes flight takes me 2 miles. *I am
also based near a VOR with converging airways so other then proving
your point I was near airways, I was in a designated practice area
where abrupt flight maneuvers are expected.

Oh yeah, so if I do a power on stall that exceeds 30 degrees pitch up,
do you call that aerobatics? *That's not a normal flight pitch? *I got
bunches of videos of these posted flown in the same practice area. *I
bet you will avoid this question.

Oh yeah, power off stalls, when the nose pitches down more then 30
degrees. *Are you going to call that aerobatics? *I got bunches of
videos of these posted flown in the same practice area and I bet you
will avoid this question too.

This maneuver I performed is no different then stalls, it was a flight
maneuver to enhance my safety should a mid air be imminent.

I think I had enough of feeding your trolling characteristics
regarding the legality of this video *The video speaks for itself
regarding legality and like I said, I called my local FSDO and they
said I was within the legal FAA parameters based on what he heard from
me so no need to further respond to you regarding the legality of this
video.

Hey, I'm not the FAA and I really don't care what you do -except when
you portray it as something to be tried by others who are not also
encouraged to see training before experimenting with their aircraft. I
hope that you've learnt something from our discussion, but I'll not
expect you to be so magnanimous that you can admit it. I

You might also like to know that stalling is not the same as the
manoever you entered and carries lower exercise risk from the training
a student pilot receives -particlarly the wing drop and incipient
spin. The manouver you carried out is entry to a spiral dive and that
carries much greater risk for inexperienced pilots (such as yourself).
As I said, I recommend you go and take some lessons with an aerobatics
instructor it will improve your skills and you my enjoy it.

My 2c

Cheers

On Sep 11, 2:58*pm, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

Hey, I'm not the FAA and I really don't care what you do -except when
you portray it as something to be tried by others

Uh, TRY AGAIN????? Show me where I portray this, ANYWHERE!! Come on
now, back your words up with substance here. Show me where I
portrayed this that others should try this maneuver.

I bet you won't find anything and you just talking crap because you
can't post a right answer.

Dayem, you damn near talk the crap Mx does with equal reading
comprehension problems. You quote an incorrect FARS, incorrectly
comprehend FARS based on your responses , accuse me of busting FARS
and now this???? You really are a TROLL.

"BeechSundowner" wrote

Dayem, you damn near talk the crap Mx does with equal reading
comprehension problems. You quote an incorrect FARS, incorrectly
comprehend FARS based on your responses , accuse me of busting FARS
and now this???? You really are a TROLL.

Are you sure he is _NOT_ MX back to haunt us under a new screen name?

I'm not.

I stand by my earlier troll alert. Others should turn their alert on, also.
--
Jim in NC

On Sep 12, 9:34*am, BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 11, 2:58*pm, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

Hey, I'm not the FAA and I really don't care what you do -except when
you portray it as something to be tried by others

Uh, TRY AGAIN????? *Show me where I portray this, ANYWHERE!! *Come on
now, back your words up with substance here. *Show me where I
portrayed this that others should try this maneuver.


To rec aviation student:

"Had never done an emergency descent with banking as a tool. It was
suggested to me to try this with a 90 degree bank.
Very interesting experience as it really works and works quickly! I
tried 2 without banking and 2 with banking of which the video
contains
one of each. "

To which I said No, don't do this unless you get some training
because its entering a spiral dive.

Since you can't accept my POV there's no point to further discussion.
Although I am not a 'troll' as you assert in yet another ad hominem, I
have found your style to be quite distasteful and frankly chest
thumping. Not a good MO for those that aspire to be good pilots.

Bye.

On Sep 11, 10:18*pm, "Flaps_50!" wrote:
On Sep 12, 9:34*am, BeechSundowner wrote:

On Sep 11, 2:58*pm, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

Hey, I'm not the FAA and I really don't care what you do -except when
you portray it as something to be tried by others

Uh, TRY AGAIN????? *Show me where I portray this, ANYWHERE!! *Come on
now, back your words up with substance here. *Show me where I
portrayed this that others should try this maneuver.

To rec aviation student:

"Had never done an emergency descent with banking as a tool. *It was
suggested to me to try this with a 90 degree bank.
Very interesting experience as it really works and works quickly! *I
tried 2 without banking and 2 with banking of which the video
contains
one of each. "

To which I said *No, don't do this unless you get some training
because its entering a spiral dive.

Since you can't accept my POV there's no point to further discussion.
Although I am not a 'troll' as you assert in yet another ad hominem, I
have found your style to be quite distasteful and frankly chest
thumping. Not a good MO for those that aspire to be good pilots.

Bye.

You still failed to prove your point. Nowhere did I say try to try
this maneuver or suggest it. I described my experiences and results
of my experiences which further substantiates you have a serious
reading comprehension problem.

Oh BTW, your POV has been WRONG on almost every count from FARS
interpretation, airspace interpretation to saying I busted FARS so why
in the world would I even consider youg POV????

It would be better for you if you don't let the door hit you in your
ass on your way out rather then continue trolling :-)))

BBBBBYEEEEEE

BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 11, 10:18Â*pm, "Flaps_50!" wrote:
On Sep 12, 9:34Â*am, BeechSundowner wrote:

On Sep 11, 2:58Â*pm, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

Hey, I'm not the FAA and I really don't care what you do -except when
you portray it as something to be tried by others

Uh, TRY AGAIN????? Â*Show me where I portray this, ANYWHERE!! Â*Come on
now, back your words up with substance here. Â*Show me where I
portrayed this that others should try this maneuver.

To rec aviation student:

"Had never done an emergency descent with banking as a tool. Â*It was
suggested to me to try this with a 90 degree bank.
Very interesting experience as it really works and works quickly! Â*I
tried 2 without banking and 2 with banking of which the video
contains
one of each. "

To which I said Â*No, don't do this unless you get some training
because its entering a spiral dive.

Since you can't accept my POV there's no point to further discussion.
Although I am not a 'troll' as you assert in yet another ad hominem, I
have found your style to be quite distasteful and frankly chest
thumping. Not a good MO for those that aspire to be good pilots.

Bye.

You still failed to prove your point. Nowhere did I say try to try
this maneuver or suggest it. I described my experiences and results
of my experiences which further substantiates you have a serious
reading comprehension problem.

Oh BTW, your POV has been WRONG on almost every count from FARS
interpretation, airspace interpretation to saying I busted FARS so why
in the world would I even consider youg POV????

It would be better for you if you don't let the door hit you in your
ass on your way out rather then continue trolling :-)))

BBBBBYEEEEEE

What I would like to know is what is wrong with being in a spiral dive
when you know you are in one?

The problem with a spiral dive when you don't know you're in one is obvious.



--
Jim Pennino

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