The Melting Deck Plates Muddle - V-22 on LHD deck....

On Dec 10, 4:09 pm, frank wrote:
On Dec 10, 1:00 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:



On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Jack Linthicum
wrote:

On Dec 10, 8:53 am, "Roger Conroy"
wrote:

"Bill Kambic" wrote in message

.. .

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:57:36 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
wrote:

snipped for brevity

Or use the rocket launch technique and spray water across the take-off
area.

Probably less than optimal. Large clouds of hot, salt water steam
would be an annoyance (at a minimum) to the deck crew. It would also
be a highly corrosive material that could serious complicate
maintenance of both ship and aircraft.

Use of fresh water would likely be an excessive demand on the
evaporators.

The piping of cooling water suggested earlier would be a better idea.
It would likely be cheaper that major modifications such as a "ski
jump" and permit the continued use of the vertical capability of the
aircraft.

A water cooled heatsink built into a part of the deck designated for "hot"
aircraft makes a lot of sense.

You could have a place underneath to stash beer, like the old sub-
mariners did.

In electronics, we have similiar problems, we usually solve using Al
heat sinks, fan air cooled, as the cheapest. Screw a few Al heat sinks
to the bottom of the locations of the deck permited to take the heat
and engage any fluid to cool it, even water if space is tight, yawn.
Ken

Pray tell, young Skywalker, what type of electronics have you designed
that has a few thousands pounds of metal land on it, controlled by a
navel aviatrix, blasting used JP4 and other noxious and profane gasses
as high speeds and easily a thousand degrees of the Farenheits? I'm
getting a case of beer and a lot of popcorn, this is going to be a
good one.

Note to Wiki: another cite for the 'Why do EE degrees have a BS in
front of them....'

Frank, note you've replied to me 3 times, somewhat sarcastically
on a topic that is borderline boring for most, but I own a patent on
a 'new and improved' woodstove, so I have an extra interest and
specialized knowledge on the subject, so I find the problem
intriguing,
About "degrees", and "diploma's" mine are buried somewhere in
archives, rusting away.
Ken

On Dec 11, 8:35 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Dec 10, 4:09 pm, frank wrote:



On Dec 10, 1:00 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Jack Linthicum
wrote:

On Dec 10, 8:53 am, "Roger Conroy"
wrote:

"Bill Kambic" wrote in message

.. .

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:57:36 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
wrote:

snipped for brevity

Or use the rocket launch technique and spray water across the take-off
area.

Probably less than optimal. Large clouds of hot, salt water steam
would be an annoyance (at a minimum) to the deck crew. It would also
be a highly corrosive material that could serious complicate
maintenance of both ship and aircraft.

Use of fresh water would likely be an excessive demand on the
evaporators.

The piping of cooling water suggested earlier would be a better idea.
It would likely be cheaper that major modifications such as a "ski
jump" and permit the continued use of the vertical capability of the
aircraft.

A water cooled heatsink built into a part of the deck designated for "hot"
aircraft makes a lot of sense.

You could have a place underneath to stash beer, like the old sub-
mariners did.

In electronics, we have similiar problems, we usually solve using Al
heat sinks, fan air cooled, as the cheapest. Screw a few Al heat sinks
to the bottom of the locations of the deck permited to take the heat
and engage any fluid to cool it, even water if space is tight, yawn.
Ken

Pray tell, young Skywalker, what type of electronics have you designed
that has a few thousands pounds of metal land on it, controlled by a
navel aviatrix, blasting used JP4 and other noxious and profane gasses
as high speeds and easily a thousand degrees of the Farenheits? I'm
getting a case of beer and a lot of popcorn, this is going to be a
good one.

Note to Wiki: another cite for the 'Why do EE degrees have a BS in
front of them....'

Frank, note you've replied to me 3 times, somewhat sarcastically
on a topic that is borderline boring for most, but I own a patent on
a 'new and improved' woodstove, so I have an extra interest and
specialized knowledge on the subject, so I find the problem
intriguing,
About "degrees", and "diploma's" mine are buried somewhere in
archives, rusting away.
Ken

Too add, 'refractory concrete' is a material we've considered
to form super high quality woodstoves, I suppose I could sell
the USN some to drowel over their selected deck portions.
Ken

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Dec 11, 8:35 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Dec 10, 4:09 pm, frank wrote:



On Dec 10, 1:00 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Jack Linthicum
wrote:
On Dec 10, 8:53 am, "Roger Conroy"
wrote:
"Bill Kambic" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:57:36 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
wrote:
snipped for brevity
Or use the rocket launch technique and spray water across the take-off
area.
Probably less than optimal. Large clouds of hot, salt water steam
would be an annoyance (at a minimum) to the deck crew. It would also
be a highly corrosive material that could serious complicate
maintenance of both ship and aircraft.
Use of fresh water would likely be an excessive demand on the
evaporators.
The piping of cooling water suggested earlier would be a better idea.
It would likely be cheaper that major modifications such as a "ski
jump" and permit the continued use of the vertical capability of the
aircraft.
A water cooled heatsink built into a part of the deck designated for "hot"
aircraft makes a lot of sense.
You could have a place underneath to stash beer, like the old sub-
mariners did.
In electronics, we have similiar problems, we usually solve using Al
heat sinks, fan air cooled, as the cheapest. Screw a few Al heat sinks
to the bottom of the locations of the deck permited to take the heat
and engage any fluid to cool it, even water if space is tight, yawn.
Ken
Pray tell, young Skywalker, what type of electronics have you designed
that has a few thousands pounds of metal land on it, controlled by a
navel aviatrix, blasting used JP4 and other noxious and profane gasses
as high speeds and easily a thousand degrees of the Farenheits? I'm
getting a case of beer and a lot of popcorn, this is going to be a
good one.
Note to Wiki: another cite for the 'Why do EE degrees have a BS in
front of them....'
Frank, note you've replied to me 3 times, somewhat sarcastically
on a topic that is borderline boring for most, but I own a patent on
a 'new and improved' woodstove, so I have an extra interest and
specialized knowledge on the subject, so I find the problem
intriguing,
About "degrees", and "diploma's" mine are buried somewhere in
archives, rusting away.
Ken

Too add, 'refractory concrete' is a material we've considered
to form super high quality woodstoves, I suppose I could sell
the USN some to drowel over their selected deck portions.
Ken

Tucker, have you considered the differences in application? I didn't
think so. Let me help. A wood stove is hot, yes, but there's no high
velocity jet of extremely hot gases, is there? You would have to
"drowel" more on after almost every mission.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Dec 10, 4:09 pm, frank wrote:
On Dec 10, 1:00 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:



On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Jack Linthicum
wrote:
On Dec 10, 8:53 am, "Roger Conroy"
wrote:
"Bill Kambic" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:57:36 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
wrote:
snipped for brevity
Or use the rocket launch technique and spray water across the take-off
area.
Probably less than optimal. Large clouds of hot, salt water steam
would be an annoyance (at a minimum) to the deck crew. It would also
be a highly corrosive material that could serious complicate
maintenance of both ship and aircraft.
Use of fresh water would likely be an excessive demand on the
evaporators.
The piping of cooling water suggested earlier would be a better idea.
It would likely be cheaper that major modifications such as a "ski
jump" and permit the continued use of the vertical capability of the
aircraft.
A water cooled heatsink built into a part of the deck designated for "hot"
aircraft makes a lot of sense.
You could have a place underneath to stash beer, like the old sub-
mariners did.
In electronics, we have similiar problems, we usually solve using Al
heat sinks, fan air cooled, as the cheapest. Screw a few Al heat sinks
to the bottom of the locations of the deck permited to take the heat
and engage any fluid to cool it, even water if space is tight, yawn.
Ken
Pray tell, young Skywalker, what type of electronics have you designed
that has a few thousands pounds of metal land on it, controlled by a
navel aviatrix, blasting used JP4 and other noxious and profane gasses
as high speeds and easily a thousand degrees of the Farenheits? I'm
getting a case of beer and a lot of popcorn, this is going to be a
good one.

Note to Wiki: another cite for the 'Why do EE degrees have a BS in
front of them....'

Frank, note you've replied to me 3 times, somewhat sarcastically
on a topic that is borderline boring for most, but I own a patent on
a 'new and improved' woodstove, so I have an extra interest and
specialized knowledge on the subject, so I find the problem
intriguing,
About "degrees", and "diploma's" mine are buried somewhere in
archives, rusting away.
Ken

Great, now post a link to that patent.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Dec 11, 5:08 pm, Dan wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Dec 10, 4:09 pm, frank wrote:
On Dec 10, 1:00 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Jack Linthicum
wrote:
On Dec 10, 8:53 am, "Roger Conroy"
wrote:
"Bill Kambic" wrote in message
om...
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:57:36 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
wrote:
snipped for brevity
Or use the rocket launch technique and spray water across the take-off
area.
Probably less than optimal. Large clouds of hot, salt water steam
would be an annoyance (at a minimum) to the deck crew. It would also
be a highly corrosive material that could serious complicate
maintenance of both ship and aircraft.
Use of fresh water would likely be an excessive demand on the
evaporators.
The piping of cooling water suggested earlier would be a better idea.
It would likely be cheaper that major modifications such as a "ski
jump" and permit the continued use of the vertical capability of the
aircraft.
A water cooled heatsink built into a part of the deck designated for "hot"
aircraft makes a lot of sense.
You could have a place underneath to stash beer, like the old sub-
mariners did.
In electronics, we have similiar problems, we usually solve using Al
heat sinks, fan air cooled, as the cheapest. Screw a few Al heat sinks
to the bottom of the locations of the deck permited to take the heat
and engage any fluid to cool it, even water if space is tight, yawn.
Ken
Pray tell, young Skywalker, what type of electronics have you designed
that has a few thousands pounds of metal land on it, controlled by a
navel aviatrix, blasting used JP4 and other noxious and profane gasses
as high speeds and easily a thousand degrees of the Farenheits? I'm
getting a case of beer and a lot of popcorn, this is going to be a
good one.

Note to Wiki: another cite for the 'Why do EE degrees have a BS in
front of them....'

Frank, note you've replied to me 3 times, somewhat sarcastically
on a topic that is borderline boring for most, but I own a patent on
a 'new and improved' woodstove, so I have an extra interest and
specialized knowledge on the subject, so I find the problem
intriguing,
About "degrees", and "diploma's" mine are buried somewhere in
archives, rusting away.
Ken

Great, now post a link to that patent.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Patents are those legal things that get tossed into archives,
to be forgotten about, but your request is interesting, do they
put that online |?| I'll check.

C-dyn is old school and for transactions use snail-mail contracts,
for example today we received an order in the mail via snail,
from Vermont, that was posted Nov.30., for customized electro
gEAR. I'm thinking of complaining about the snail-mail speed.
Recently, I received 1st class Air-mail products from Indiana,
it took 10 (f**king) days to hit our box.

If anyone is interested in an experiment, I'll send you an Xmas
card, we can do addresses via email, but mine is hEAR,
http://www.trak4.com/earco/index.html
so mail us a card.
Love & Kisses
Lynne & Ken

Ken S. Tucker ha scritto:

Patents are those legal things that get tossed into archives,
to be forgotten about, but your request is interesting, do they
put that online |?| I'll check.

with goggle patents and uspto.gov all whose suffice is that you post the
patent number

Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

On Dec 12, 12:26 am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
wrote:
Ken S. Tucker ha scritto:

Patents are those legal things that get tossed into archives,
to be forgotten about, but your request is interesting, do they
put that online |?| I'll check.

with goggle patents and uspto.gov all whose suffice is that you post the
patent number
Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

Ok, found it, Canadian Patent # 1 241 883 issued Sep 13 1988.
Ken

On Dec 12, 12:31 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Dec 12, 12:26 am, "dott.Piergiorgio"

wrote:
Ken S. Tucker ha scritto:

Patents are those legal things that get tossed into archives,
to be forgotten about, but your request is interesting, do they
put that online |?| I'll check.

with goggle patents and uspto.gov all whose suffice is that you post the
patent number
Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

Ok, found it, Canadian Patent # 1 241 883 issued Sep 13 1988.
Ken

Found some data online,
http://brevets-patents.ic.gc.ca/opic...ch#View_Images
Ken

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Dec 12, 12:31 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Dec 12, 12:26 am, "dott.Piergiorgio"

wrote:
Ken S. Tucker ha scritto:
Patents are those legal things that get tossed into archives,
to be forgotten about, but your request is interesting, do they
put that online |?| I'll check.
with goggle patents and uspto.gov all whose suffice is that you post the
patent number
Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.
Ok, found it, Canadian Patent # 1 241 883 issued Sep 13 1988.
Ken

Found some data online,
http://brevets-patents.ic.gc.ca/opic...ch#View_Images
Ken

OK, I grant you were honest this time.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired