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On Jan 19, 1:38*pm, "noel.wade" wrote:
Just wanted to also put in a plug for Condor, with one caveat: Do _not_ use Condor to soar your local area, or your intended contest area. *At the least you'll find it annoying because of the inaccuracies. *At worst you'll make bad decisions in real life because you got used to referencing the terrain in Condor and try to apply it to the real world! Condor Soaring is awesome for developing general soaring techniques and (as TA pointed out) working with a PDA/flight-computer. *It is NOT designed to give you ground-reference familiarity. --Noel Well, I have actually found Condor to be quite helpful for area familiarization, as Condor uses the same terrain database used for all other terrain mapping programs, including Google Earth. Flying a terrain in Condor is much more helpful to me than 'flying' it in Google Earth or staring at a map. However, as Noel pointed out, no terrain database is entirely accurate, and location/elevation errors of hundreds of meters are common, so assuming that a ridge line goes just so, or that a mountain pass is just this high, could lead to some very embarrassing moments in real life. Also, thermals in Condor aren't always where you would find them in real life, although thermals do tend to favor high ground as expected. In flat terrain, thermals are distributed more or less randomly, and don't correspond to infrastructure features like road, towns, lakes, etc. TA |
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![]() Well, I have actually found Condor to be quite helpful for area familiarization, as Condor uses the same terrain database used for all NEGATIVE. This is NOT TRUE. Some people use the NASA "SRTM" data for terrain elevation; but there are different resolutions for that data that can provide different levels of accuracy. And Condor maps are all user-created and not necessarily based on real-world locations. It is totally up to the map's creator to define the terrain and the scenery. Satellite photos _are_ used for some maps; but others are semi-random repeating patterns of texture & color to make lowlands look lush and high ground look rocky - with no regard for the real world. Condor is the product of just 2 people. And it is AMAZING for the small team that produces it. But the maps are not like MS Flight Simulator where a large dedicated team of people has spent years poring over the entire world and building it up as accurately as possible. Some map-makers are obsessive and realistic; other map- makers provide scenery that is inaccurate or is a wholly fantastic setting (and there's nothing wrong with that). As Frank points out, thermals are not always accurately placed in Condor, either. The map files have hidden values that tell Condor what probability to assign to a thermal popping up in any given location... Those hidden values are specified by the map-maker and are not necessarily tied to any real-world data. Condor tries to simulate the effects of wind and terrain, but it uses those hidden values as its primary guide to thermal generation. So again, if the map-maker is obsessive and makes the house thermal spot (in real life) a likely place for thermals to form in Condor - then its probably fairly accurate. Runways and buildings are the same way. Its not based on exact real- world data; its based on whatever the map-maker says. And with dozens of small/outlying airfields in most Condor maps, you can bet that a certain percentage of them bear no resemblance to their real-world counterparts. Heck, some of them don't even have the runway pointing in the correct direction. NOW, having said all of that - let me make it clear: CONDOR IS AN AWESOME PROGRAM. Any pilot who wants to work on his/her cross-country soaring or racing skills should have this simulator and use it. But use it to develop your sense of timing and flying skills - do NOT try to use it as a guide for what the "real world" will look like when you get there. Enjoy, --Noel |
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