If all midair collisions were eliminated...

Jim Logajan writes:

If all GA midair collisions were eliminated, ~99% of GA aircraft fatalities
would still happen.

If all GA midair collisions were eliminated, 27 people would still be alive,
based on your own cited statistics. Is saving lives not a sufficient
justification for eliminating midair collisions? Is there are threshold of
deaths below which efforts to eliminate midair collisions are not justified?
What cost is there in attempting to eliminate midair collisions that offsets
the loss of life that they entail?

Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Logajan writes:

If all GA midair collisions were eliminated, ~99% of GA aircraft fatalities
would still happen.

If all GA midair collisions were eliminated, 27 people would still be alive,
based on your own cited statistics. Is saving lives not a sufficient
justification for eliminating midair collisions? Is there are threshold of
deaths below which efforts to eliminate midair collisions are not justified?
What cost is there in attempting to eliminate midair collisions that offsets
the loss of life that they entail?


Oh man...
Excuse me for biting a troll, guys.

mx?

Exactly HOW do you think you can prevent ANY midair?

The ONLY way I can see is to ground everybody.
That'd work!


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to tell just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour...
Now is the only time you own. Live, love, toil with a will.
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cavelamb writes:

Exactly HOW do you think you can prevent ANY midair?

Training, standardization, caution, discipline, and other techniques can
greatly reduce the incidence of midair collisions.

Mxsmanic wrote:
cavelamb writes:

Exactly HOW do you think you can prevent ANY midair?

Training, standardization, caution, discipline, and other techniques can
greatly reduce the incidence of midair collisions.


Well, if you have been following the other posts in this thread
you'd understand that they already ARE doing just that.


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Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/


"The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power
to tell just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour...
Now is the only time you own. Live, love, toil with a will.
Place no faith in time. For the clock may soon be still."

cavelamb writes:

Well, if you have been following the other posts in this thread
you'd understand that they already ARE doing just that.

Yes. Who said otherwise?

On Feb 10, 4:15*pm, cavelamb wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
cavelamb writes:

Exactly HOW do you think you can prevent ANY midair?

Training, standardization, caution, discipline, and other techniques can
greatly reduce the incidence of midair collisions.

Well, if you have been following the other posts in this thread
you'd understand that they already ARE doing just that.

--

Richard Lambhttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

"The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power
to tell just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour...
Now is the only time you own. Live, love, toil with a will.
Place no faith in time. *For the clock may soon be still."

Not only doing it but have done it down to the point of not only
_diminishing_ returns but almost zero additional benefit.

Harry K

On Feb 9, 6:59*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Logajan writes:
If all GA midair collisions were eliminated, ~99% of GA aircraft fatalities
would still happen.

If all GA midair collisions were eliminated, 27 people would still be alive,
based on your own cited statistics. Is saving lives not a sufficient
justification for eliminating midair collisions? Is there are threshold of
deaths below which efforts to eliminate midair collisions are not justified?
What cost is there in attempting to eliminate midair collisions that offsets
the loss of life that they entail?

Where exactly in his post did he suggest we should be satisfied with
low numbers of fatalities due to mid-air collisions?

I find that information extremely interesting and I'm glad he posted
it. Thanks Jim!

I also find this interesting. I wonder if the ratio of 100/1 would be
the same if one only considered glider-involved accidents. My guess
is we have a disproportionate number of mid-airs. Any way to check?

Matt

On Feb 9, 11:11*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:
I also find this interesting. *I wonder if the ratio of 100/1 would be
the same if one only considered glider-involved accidents. *My guess
is we have a disproportionate number of mid-airs. *Any way to check?

Matt

Matt

You can do the research...

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/index.aspx

You can select on Injury Severity and Category (Glider, etc.). Play
with trying "collision" etc. in the event details box (but obviously
you need to check the results/misses).

Darryl

On Feb 9, 11:55*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote:

You can do the research...

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/index.aspx

You can select on Injury Severity and Category (Glider, etc.). Play
with trying "collision" etc. in the event details box (but obviously
you need to check the results/misses).

Darryl

According to my hand count of accidents in the database, over the past
10 years there have been 60 fatal glider accidents in the US with 68
total fatalities. Three of the accidents and 9 of the fatalities were
due to mid-air collisions, so the numbers are higher for gliders - 5%
of the accidents and 15% of the fatalities. Still, you are 20 times
more likely to die in a single glider crash than a midair - if that is
any consolation.

It is worthwhile looking at the reports as a reminder for extra care
in certain areas. Lots of accidents were on approach (maybe half),
either coming up short or a stall/spin turning base or final. The
next biggest cause was collision with terrain during flight (not
always possible to determine controlled versus uncontrolled). Next
came loss of control/structural failure in flight. There were also a
number of cases of assembly errors, control problems on takeoff and
several where pilot incapacitation was suspected. The rank ordering of
causes is my rough impression.

Unfortunately, too many on the list were friends or people I'd met
along the way. Too many.

Fly safe.

9B