the complete minute by minute timeline on 911

I pointed at the structural distortion at the point
of the fire and could visualize the coming event with clarity.

Don't be so sure, Gordon.

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I have seen dozens of controlled collapse events and the preparation involved
includes thousands of pre-drilled holes, VERY evident purposeful weakening of
every single support, etc. Primacord everywhere, obvious preparation work that
often takes weeks. These buildings were struck down by TWO gigantic "bombs" -
namely airliners.

As for Keith's comment, I believe that people in the anti-terror business
thought hijacking airliners was a possible terror event, but prior to 9/11,
most of the terror experts were viewed as alarmists and not given much
attention. When Billy Mitchell told the Navy and the rest of America that Japan
would someday destroy our fleet at Pearl Harbor, using air-dropped torpedoes,
America collectively shook its head, 'no, even though its not mathematically
impossible, its just not going to happen'. We were proven massively wrong. So
even though kamikaze attacks were a known possibility, most Americans ranked
that possibility somewhere around the same chance that Romulans would land.

Is it true that the contract to clean up the site was awarded to a
Controlled demolitions Inc. company or a company with a name like
that?

That company has one of the most solidly professional reputations in our
country. What you are suggesting is that they are also mass murderers, capable
of maintaining a secret plan to murder thousands of other Americans, for years
before and after the event. With Romulan cloaking technology, their efforts to
mine the building could well have been successful. _Thousands_ of maintenance
people worked in those buidlings and no one ever suggested a hint of a problem,
such as the discovery of weakened supports or any other preparation for
demolition. If I worked for that company, I would be outraged at such a
baseless allegation that they were responsible, when we watched the airliner
slam directly into the building.

I know you hate conspiracy theories but here is one for your
consideration.

Actually, I enjoy a good conspiracy theory - what I detest are baseless ones
that fall apart under the microscope. Also, any conspiracy that involves
entire ship crews, or thousands of participants, because basically human beings
cannot keep a secret of that magnitude. That is a fact. Kennedy
assassination, stuff like that - of course, not only possible, but probable. I
know a lot of expert shots and if LHO managed two out of three direct hits on a
3-d moving target at that range, well, he ranks as the best shot in history.
So its not conspiracies that bug me - its those theories that ignore the
obvious and depend on the incredible that I can't stand.

These are case know to the public, I mean that part of it that is my
humble self. I do believe in conspiracy theories, at any rate some of
them

So do I, just not the ones that require the secrecy of thousands to succeed.

So Keith seems to be mistaken here. A suicidal attack could be real
and it was not unknown to those who knew the situation.

Agreed on this point.

if different
parts of the frame got damaged to different degrees due to asymmetric
impact or uneven fire spreading then... the tower or its parts could
fall ASIDE, onto a much wider area and with much greater damage. These
were HIGH towers after all.

I disagree - we've both seen demolitions where buildings collapsed into
themselves. Once the top floors accordion downwards, inertia takes over,
speeding the process.

After the events take place it's a 'well done, nice job' situation.
Guys here is your contract. You'll do the cleaning job clean, won't
you? Some things should remain hidden from the public and these crazy
conspiracy theorists.

"Guys, here is your contract to murder thousands of Americans. Make sure you
keep the secret for years." Only takes one guy with a conscience, or one too
many beers, and all of this murderous preparation goes up in smoke. Share the
secret with your wife, get divorced and end up on the 11 O'clock news. Such a
secret could be kept by one person, perhaps. Dozens? Hundreds? because you
would have to include everyone that might stumble over the evidence. Then, you
have to convince every building inspector and fire marshall to ignore the
weakened beams and all the other preparations.

i.e., its not going to work.


Incredible? I dont' know. Also I don't know who was to make such
decisions in the USA and NYC if there was (were)such (a)person(s).


Thousands of Americans, all agreeing to participate in the most monsterous
single-event case of murder in history. How much you must hate us...


snip slander against Controlled Demolition Inc.

They are damn experienced, that's their job they've been doing
for years.

False of course - for years, these professionals have been making huge
structures collapse, by using cranes, bulldozers, and hundreds of people,
working in the open as they selectively weaken the structures at hundreds of
different points, while making every effort to not endanger a single human
life.

Aren't you grasping the phone receiver yet, to call the guys?


Why wouldn't I apply Occam's Razor first? Gigantic airliners exploded within
the towers and eventually brought them down. I witnessed this as it occurred.
What I did not see was any evidence of what you suggest - no ripple fired demo
charges, no dozens of support columns being blown out of the way, in short,
nothing to suggest a controlled demolition occuring within an hour of hijacked
aircraft impacting the structures.

For this theory of yours to work, every person at that company would have to
agree to keep one hell of an ugly secret, forever. The people that ordered
this act, and their families, would also have to carry the secret around every
day of their lives. Building inspectors, fire marshalls, all would have to
understand why they needed to participate, and agree to do so, forever. "Two
people can keep a secret if one is dead." How about hundreds of people? _No
one_ wants the millions of dollars and publicity that would come from being the
loudest whistle blower in history? Come now.

v/r
Gordon