HS-117 successes?

From: (robert arndt)
Date: 1/26/2004 1:23 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(The Germans were never able to dope out a
workable proximity fuze. Acoustic? Don't make me laugh!).

The Germans had every type of proximity fuse under development at the
end of the war including: radio, EM, IR, electo-optical, and your
favorite- acoustic! Ever heard of Kranich? The X-4 aam used it:

http://www.luft46.com/missile/x-4.html

Rob

So they had them "under development" and had more on the way. The U.S., U.K.
and the Soviets had all kinds of stuff "under development" at the end of the
war. Big deal. Your hero blew his brains out before anything came of these
developments.

The Third Reich was a failure in every sense of the word.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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From: (robert arndt)
Date: 1/26/2004 1:23 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(The Germans were never able to dope out a
workable proximity fuze. Acoustic? Don't make me laugh!).

The Germans had every type of proximity fuse under development at the
end of the war including: radio, EM, IR, electo-optical, and your
favorite- acoustic! Ever heard of Kranich? The X-4 aam used it:

http://www.luft46.com/missile/x-4.html

Rob

So they had them "under development" and had more on the way. The U.S., U.K.
and the Soviets had all kinds of stuff "under development" at the end of the
war. Big deal. Your hero blew his brains out before anything came of these
developments.

The Third Reich was a failure in every sense of the word.

Except that it took 6 years to defeat them with a deluge of men &
material approaching 11-to-1 in 1945. Also, the war cost 60 million
lives, laid waste to most of Europe, cost Britain it's world power
status, Britain, France and Belgium their colonies, established the US
and USSR as superpowers, and furnished both with weapons that
radically changed the way we fought postwar... not to mention
advancing aviation greatly and starting a space race that produced
satellites and the eventual landing of a man on the moon.
Other than that, you're right Dan.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Rob

p.s. If the Germans didn't have any working proximity fuses then
please explain their technology transfer via U-boat to Japan in 1945.
Kranich worked and thats just one fuse. Do you want a partial listing
of the others?

Bad/Baz55A/Fuchs/Isegrimm/Kakadu/Kugelblitz/Kuhglocke/Lotte/Marabu/Marder/Meise/Paplitz/Pinscher/Pistole/Roulette/Stimmgabel/Trichter/Weisel/Zunder-19

There's 19 more for you, making 20 overall.

From: (robert arndt)


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From: (robert arndt)
Date: 1/26/2004 1:23 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(The Germans were never able to dope out a
workable proximity fuze. Acoustic? Don't make me laugh!).

The Germans had every type of proximity fuse under development at the
end of the war including: radio, EM, IR, electo-optical, and your
favorite- acoustic! Ever heard of Kranich? The X-4 aam used it:

http://www.luft46.com/missile/x-4.html

Rob

So they had them "under development" and had more on the way. The U.S.,
U.K.
and the Soviets had all kinds of stuff "under development" at the end of
the
war. Big deal. Your hero blew his brains out before anything came of these
developments.

The Third Reich was a failure in every sense of the word.

Except that it took 6 years to defeat them with a deluge of men &
material approaching 11-to-1 in 1945. Also, the war cost 60 million
lives, laid waste to most of Europe, cost Britain it's world power
status, Britain, France and Belgium their colonies, established the US
and USSR as superpowers, and furnished both with weapons that
radically changed the way we fought postwar... not to mention
advancing aviation greatly and starting a space race that produced
satellites and the eventual landing of a man on the moon.
Other than that, you're right Dan.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Rob


I still can't understand why you adore the Nazi sewage that started that war.
Even if they hadn't started the war Nazi Germany would have been a major flop
in the long run.

On the anniversaty of Adolph "hey, look at all the fools who think I am Aryan"
Hitler's birthday do you stand out side like a good Nazi and yell "six million
more?" It would not surprise me in the least.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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Except that it took 6 years to defeat them with a deluge of men &
material approaching 11-to-1 in 1945. Also, the war cost 60 million
lives, laid waste to most of Europe,

Most people consider mass murder a bad thing. Given that they had
essentially all the resources of western and central Europe at their
disposal in 1940/41 they mismanaged things horribly.

Only the Nazis could have so rapidly turned the Ukranians
and ByeloRussians who welcomed them as liberators in
1941 into the partisans who die rather than surrender.

Only the Nazis would pursue the development of a rocket
weapon that killed more of their own workers than the enemy
and cost more to develop and build than the value of
the damage caused when it landed.

We know that some 21,000 civilians died in London under the
V-2 attack but at least 30,000 workers at Dora and Peenemunde
died building the bloody things. Given that Germany was
critically short of manpower and materials this was mismanagement
of the worst kind.

Then again these are the same idiots who took 3 divisions
of half jewish Germans out of the front line in Russia
and sent them to concentration camps in late 1943
while the Russians wer elunching a major offensive.


cost Britain it's world power
status, Britain, France and Belgium their colonies, established the US
and USSR as superpowers, and furnished both with weapons that
radically changed the way we fought postwar... not to mention
advancing aviation greatly and starting a space race that produced
satellites and the eventual landing of a man on the moon.
Other than that, you're right Dan.


p.s. If the Germans didn't have any working proximity fuses then
please explain their technology transfer via U-boat to Japan in 1945.
Kranich worked and thats just one fuse. Do you want a partial listing
of the others?


Kranich was an accoustic system using doppler shift of the
sound of aircraft engines and its performance was
medicre at best. It was a poor substitute for the VT
fuze adopted by the western allies.

Keith

FWIW back to the original thread - the SA-2F had an optical mode
wherein the search radars remained silent until seconds from the
target. I know a B66 ECM operator who swears the SA2's radar came up
about 3 seconds before the missile went through the wing between the
fuselage and an engine. He landed in the Gulf and was picked up by the
Navy. He had an 86 1/2 mission patch as a result. Also BTW the SA2 was
a development of a German SAM system project. The search and track
scanning az-el radars are the same type mechanism.
Walt BJ